Are crystals magic?

[nnmartin]

Only insofar as the electrochemical processes in your brain is energy.

What puts the life-force into these processes though?

This same force is also present in crystals.

The Force of God.

 

[jarofthoughts]

How about some magic wands to get started.

What puts the life-force into these processes though?

This same force is also present in crystals.

The Force of God.

Stop stalling and dodging and trying to redefine what you said or change the subject.
This is a common tactic used by people who realize that they have lost the discussion and they are desperately trying to make it look as if they haven't.

YOU called it magic.
YOU claimed it exists.

Now provide the evidence to back up your claim or I will be forced to consider it refuted by default, thus concluding that you are talking nonsense.

 

[nnmartin]

You are looking at the issue from the wrong angle.

Could you prove to anyone that you had a surrealistic dream the other night?

It is not a question of winning or losing the discussion but rather whether you believe or not. The magic of the crystal or God comes to you over time if you let it.

Quite clearly you think all Religion and Spirituality to be nonsense - you will never get scientific proof for either of them - they are either faith based or perceived by a mind that can commune with the Force/God/Spirit.

 

[Tiberius]

Belief is energy.

Fine. Show me a crystal that holds a belief - any belief - and I'll concede.

Crystals are just pretty rocks.

 

[nnmartin]

ok, how about this one. The magic and belief is there for all to see!

 

[nnmartin]

They may be pretty rocks to you but I'm sure the Bible is just literature for you as well.

before writing them off why not obtain a crystal and see for yourself, you may be surprised!

 

[jarofthoughts]

You are looking at the issue from the wrong angle.

Hundreds of years of scientific history tells me that I am looking at it from exactly the right angle.

Could you prove to anyone that you had a surrealistic dream the other night?

If I was hooked up to an fMRI or a microECoG machine, yes I could.

It is not a question of winning or losing the discussion but rather whether you believe or not. The magic of the crystal or God comes to you over time if you let it.

Wow... Moving the goal-posts and a 'No True Scotsman' fallacy all at the same time. You really ARE out of arguments, aren't you?

Quite clearly you think all Religion and Spirituality to be nonsense - you will never get scientific proof for either of them - they are either faith based or perceived by a mind that can commune with the Force/God/Spirit.

You mean faith as in faith-without-evidence as in blind-faith. Sorry, but that has earned humanity exactly no knowledge whatsoever, and has caused enormous amounts of suffering.
And while you may think me close-minded, you would be wrong. All you have to do to convince me is provide empirical, objective and scientific evidence of this 'Force/God/Spirit' thingie.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Belief is energy.

It's seems you're still hung up on the scientific idea of what IS, instead of the magical idea of what CAN BE. Crystals have power if you believe they do, as you just said. That has no bearing on what they truly are. You're trying to take a personal magical view and inflate it to a scientific one.

 

[Tiberius]

They may seem identical to you , buy you say that you are an atheist so that is not surprising.

Most Atheists do not understand religion or spirituality.

Ah, and you, being a believer, are an expert. Your skill comes from the fact that you really really think it's true.

ok, how about this one. The magic and belief is there for all to see!

Then you will have no trouble demonstrating it for all to see. Please do so.

They may be pretty rocks to you but I'm sure the Bible is just literature for you as well.

before writing them off why not obtain a crystal and see for yourself, you may be surprised!

Do you realise that every single rock on the planet is a crystal? Yep, even a lump of granite or feldspar. It's just that the big pretty ones have individual crystals large enough to see with the naked eye, whereas the others are too small to see without a microscope.

Do you think granite is magical?

They may be pretty rocks to you but I'm sure the Bible is just literature for you as well.

And you think the Koran is just literature. What's your point? That my lack of belief in the Bible as a god-inspired book somehow makes me unqualified to say that crystals aren't magic?

before writing them off why not obtain a crystal and see for yourself, you may be surprised!

And please tell me the process by which I can see the magical properties of crystals?

 

[nnmartin]

I believe the Koran to be far more than literature, the same with other religious books.

They are different takes on a similar thing - ie: God/Spirit etc..

Just because every stone has similar scientific properties to a crystal does not mean it is the same.

Similar and same are two different words.

 

[Meow Mix]

I believe the Koran to be far more than literature, the same with other religious books.

They are different takes on a similar thing - ie: God/Spirit etc..

Just because every stone has similar scientific properties to a crystal does not mean it is the same.

Similar and same are two different words.

Ok, what properties of larger crystals (such as amethyst) makes them magical whereas granite is not magical?

What about their shapes causes the magic, and what is the magic that's caused? Specifically, please.

 

[1137]

Why are you encouraging this? The magickal property of anything is based solely on how a person feels about it. Because of the psychological, personal, relative affects of magick, all that matters is what power one believes a crystal to have. If you do not believe in magick, then no crystal has no power. If you believe amethyst is magickal and not granite, then that is so.

One big issue is being looked over though: magick is psychological. Rocks do not have supernatural abilities.

 

[outhouse]

Rocks do not have supernatural abilities.

either do people or deities but that hasnt stopped anything

 

[1137]

either do people or deities but that hasnt stopped anything

Haha very true.

 

[nnmartin]

RE: Could you prove to anyone that you had a surrealistic dream the other night?

If I was hooked up to an fMRI or a microECoG machine, yes I could.

This machine would only show changes in brain activity - not the actual dream itself.

The machine could not decipher the hidden messages in the dream nor relay it exactly as it was to someone else.

So , no - you couldn't use this machine on a crystal to prove or disprove anything.

 

[jarofthoughts]

This machine would only show changes in brain activity - not the actual dream itself.

The machine could not decipher the hidden messages in the dream nor relay it exactly as it was to someone else.

Read this article: Scientists Read Minds (Sort of), Reconstruct Images From Brain Scans | PCWorld

While the resolution isn't quite there yet, with the current rate of technological it is only a question of time before we can do exactly that.
As for deciphering the images, well, that is the job of a psychologist, not the machine.
But as for proving that you had a surreal dream last night, that possibility is certainly within our grasp in the very near future.

So , no - you couldn't use this machine on a crystal to prove or disprove anything.

Do crystals dream now? :areyoucra



Perhaps you should just get on with providing the evidence that magic is real instead...

 

[nnmartin]

crytals do not dream themselves but they have the ability to enter ours and convey the mystical Force power to us. With a crystal our dreams have more focus as the stone is a conduit from the Earth to our thoughts due to its channeling properties.

What we learn through science is enabled through the intentions of the Force and its design at the beginning of the planet.

crystals are magic because they contain some of the Force's essence in condensed form - it can enter into us temporarily through the crystal if you believe in it.

Scientists, Atheists and Humanists can't benefit from this magic because their belief system diverts it away to others.

 

[Meow Mix]

crytals do not dream themselves but they have the ability to enter ours and convey the mystical Force power to us. With a crystal our dreams have more focus as the stone is a conduit from the Earth to our thoughts due to its channeling properties.

What we learn through science is enabled through the intentions of the Force and its design at the beginning of the planet.

crystals are magic because they contain some of the Force's essence in condensed form - it can enter into us temporarily through the crystal if you believe in it.

Scientists, Atheists and Humanists can't benefit from this magic because their belief system diverts it away to others.

How did you learn this? What process did you go through to learn about this "force" and how it works?

Why are you ignoring my posts that politely ask for answers to simple questions?

 

[nnmartin]

Scientific answers do not come into play when we discuss The Force.

a picture conveys more meaning here - enjoy!

 

[Meow Mix]

Scientific answers do not come into play when we discuss The Force.

a picture conveys more meaning here - enjoy!

This sort of attitude still, for whatever reason, astonishes me. Oh well.