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Are Jahovah Witness Christian?

I'm not familiar with the details of JW teaching, but from what I can gather I'd call them Christian only in a very loose sense. They are not merely heretical, they utterly renounce historic Christianity.

Catholicism is not even Christianity.It is paganism practices mixed up with Christianity.Go look at the Obelisk in St. Peters square.It was brought back by Caligula from Egypt.Sun worship.Also, do some research into the Babylonian style hats and outfits the popes use.The red Saturn hat.With the JW's,they preach and teach about Jesus, and Jehovah.Catholicism teaches about the pope.Surrounded by idols and paganism with old school Babylonian style worship.The holy scriptures teaches that there is but one true God.Catholicism teaches there are three in one, and also teaches the opposite from everything Jesus taught.It is easy to see, for those who truly understand the holy scriptures, who it is that is utterly renouncing historic Christianity.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
Catholicism is not even Christianity.It is paganism practices mixed up with Christianity.
You can believe that the Catholic Church is the head of a satanic cabal that controls the Freemasons for all I care.

Go look at the Obelisk in St. Peters square.It was brought back by Caligula from Egypt.Sun worship.Also, do some research into the Babylonian style hats and outfits the popes use.The red Saturn hat.With the JW's,they preach and teach about Jesus, and Jehovah.Catholicism teaches about the pope.Surrounded by idols and paganism with old school Babylonian style worship.The holy scriptures teaches that there is but one true God.Catholicism teaches there are three in one, and also teaches the opposite from everything Jesus taught.It is easy to see, for those who truly understand the holy scriptures, who it is that is utterly renouncing historic Christianity.
Look if you want to engage in dialogue with me, you better do better than half-coherent, historically and theologically misinformed, conspiracy inspired rambling.
 
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You can believe that the Catholic Church is the head of a satanic cabal that controls the Freemasons for all I care.


Look if you want to engage in dialogue with me, you better do better than half-coherent, historically and theologically misinformed, conspiracy inspired rambling.
Ok,thanks.:thumbsup:
 
Look if you want to engage in dialogue with me, you better do better than half-coherent, historically and theologically misinformed, conspiracy inspired rambling.

Here you go.

http://archaeology-travel.com/street/vatican-obelisk-in-st-peters-square/

"He built a large racetrack known as the circus of Gaius and Nero and had an Egyptian obelisk (now known as the "Vatican Obelisk") transported by sea and erected in the middle of Rome.[57]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligulahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligula


"Yet, interest in the landmark was renewed around the time of Pope Nicholas V (approximately 1450). Those put in charge sought to place the obelisk at the center of the square."

http://legendaryrome.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-obelisk-of-saint-peters-square.html

We know about Caligula and his evil reputation.Horrible things happened to Christians at the circus.We also know that the Obelisk is a pagan symbol.Why such interest in pagan symbols by these popes? Why would they have this symbol in the Vatican? Think about that.Did you know that there are 13 of these Obelisk in Rome? St.Peters square is a huge sun dial.

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rusra02

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I'm not familiar with the details of JW teaching, but from what I can gather I'd call them Christian only in a very loose sense. They are not merely heretical, they utterly renounce historic Christianity.
Historic "Christianity" has been and continues to be guilty of horrific crimes against humanity, IMO. To mention just a few examples from the past, the Inquisitions, the murderous Crusades, and the bloody Conquistadores. More modern examples include the slaughter in Rwanda, a largely Catholic country, and two horrific world wars fought largely by "Christians". (Revelation 18:24) Many more examples could be mentioned. I believe "historic Christianity" is a great apostasy from true Christianity as taught by Christ.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
Historic "Christianity" has been and continues to be guilty of horrific crimes against humanity, IMO. To mention just a few examples from the past, the Inquisitions, the murderous Crusades, and the bloody Conquistadores.
Yeah no, I don't buy into the whole "Christians are the villains of history" narrative. When judging medieval history, it's really important to note the social context utterly alien to our own. The Inquisition has been absurdly exaggerated, the Crusades happened in a context where two thirds of the Christian world had been annexed by Muslim hordes, and the the colonisation of the new world had little to do with religion. It was all about glorious empire.

More modern examples include the slaughter in Rwanda, a largely Catholic country, and two horrific world wars fought largely by "Christians". (Revelation 18:24) Many more examples could be mentioned.
Are you that desperate to spill you self-righteous bile that you're going to assert the world wars as religious? This is naught but rhetoric. Neither world war had much at all to do with religion, and tribal war is par the course in Africa. You seem to be under the impression whenever something bad happens it must be the consequence of the religious beliefs of the involved parties. WWI happened, therefore Catholicism is wrong. Sorry, but that makes no sense.

Many more examples could be mentioned. I believe "historic Christianity" is a great apostasy from true Christianity as taught by Christ.
An apostate of course, being anyone who doesn't accept the rhetoric and propaganda of a heretical, fringe American sect founded in the late nineteenth century. Kinda ironic that such a group throws around the word apostate so lightly; they kind of have to considering that much if not all of their teaching has no basis but the ramblings of self-appointed experts about what the Bible "really" says.

I'm sorry, but it's beyond ludicrous.
 
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rusra02

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Yeah no, I don't buy into the whole "Christians are the villains of history" narrative. When judging medieval history, it's really important to note the social context utterly alien to our own. The Inquisition has been absurdly exaggerated, the Crusades happened in a context where two thirds of the Christian world had been annexed by Muslim hordes, and the the colonisation of the new world had little to do with religion. It was about glorious empire.

Exaggerated? So how many innocents actually were slaughtered by the Church?

Are you that desperate to spill you self-righteous bile that you're going to assert the world wars as religious? This is naught but rhetoric. Neither world war had much at all to do with religion, and tribal war is par the course in Africa. You seem to be under the impression when ever something bad happens it must be the consequence of the religious beliefs of the involved parties.

The "Christian" churches on both sides of these world wars urged their adherents to support the war effort, is that not so? And in Rwanda, did not priests and nuns, and their parishioners, share in slaughtering innocent men, women, and children?

An apostate of course, being anyone who doesn't accept the rhetoric and propaganda of a heretical fringe American sect founded in the late nineteenth century. Kinda ironic that such a group throws around the word apostate so lightly; they kind of have to considering that much if not all of their teaching has no basis but the ramblings of self-appointed experts about what the Bible "really" says.

I'm sorry, but it's beyond ludicrous.

Anyone with a Bible can compare the teachings and practices of any religious group with Christ's teachings, including what the Catholic Church and Jehovah's witnesses teach and practice. Then decide who are truly following Christian teachings.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
Anyone with a Bible can compare the teachings and practices of any religious group with Christ's teachings, including what the Catholic Church and Jehovah's witnesses teach and practice. Then decide who are truly following Christian teachings.
No, they really can't and I'll tell you why. The vast majority of people have no idea what they're talking about. Including me. (Most of the time). But the difference between you and me is that I don't read the Bible that with the arrogant presumption that I know better than the historic Church.
 

rusra02

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No, they really can't and I'll tell you why. The vast majority of people have no idea what they're talking about. Including me. (Most of the time). But the difference between you and me is that I don't read the Bible that with the arrogant presumption that I know better than the historic Church.
And yet, that is what the Bible urges us to do, to read it and apply it's teachings. (2 Timothy 3:16,17, John 17:17, Acts 17:11 and others) These Scriptures expose the pagan traditions and practices that false Christians have adopted, and that the Bible condemns, IMO.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
And yet, that is what the Bible urges us to do, to read it and apply it's teachings.
It does not follow, that the Scriptures being profitable for instruction means that Christian revelation is entirely constrained to only what is explicitly stated within Scripture. Nor does it at all follow that any given person is actually capable of proper exegesis. And we still have yet to take into account the most glaring problem, that is, that Scripture can only be determined though extra-biblical tradition. You do not trust in any tradition not explicitly laid out in the Bible, yet the very canon on which you really is never specified in that canon. Your entire position is circular.

These Scriptures expose the pagan traditions and practices that false Christians have adopted, and that the Bible condemns, IMO.
Again more rhetoric. Why don't you stop with the vicious bile, because frankly you and sect are throwing stones in a glass house.
 

savagewind

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And yet, that is what the Bible urges us to do, to read it and apply it's teachings. (2 Timothy 3:16,17, John 17:17, Acts 17:11 and others) These Scriptures expose the pagan traditions and practices that false Christians have adopted, and that the Bible condemns, IMO.
Acts of the Apostles 17:11
 

savagewind

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And yet, that is what the Bible urges us to do, to read it and apply it's teachings. (2 Timothy 3:16,17, John 17:17, Acts 17:11 and others) These Scriptures expose the pagan traditions and practices that false Christians have adopted, and that the Bible condemns, IMO.
Is John 17:17 referring to the Bible or to Jesus? You are using it to refer to the words of the Bible. Yes? Why are you doing that?

Is it written "I have given them your word"? But the Old Testament was not given us by Jesus Christ and the New Testament was given us after Jesus Christ.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Anyone with a Bible can compare the teachings and practices of any religious group with Christ's teachings, including what the Catholic Church and Jehovah's witnesses teach and practice. Then decide who are truly following Christian teachings.

I believe there aren't any groups that have everything right but certainly Roman Catholics and JW's have some very big problems in their theology.
 

savagewind

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Jesus said, "I have given them your word, your word is truth". You say that he was referring to your Bible, but Jesus did not give us the Bible.
 

savagewind

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According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, The Bible is God's Word. Jesus said that HE gave us God's Word. I think now you must prove that Jesus gave us the bible. Can you do that? Is the Bible Jesus' doing?
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I believe there aren't any groups that have everything right but certainly Roman Catholics and JW's have some very big problems in their theology.

They say the same about yours.

Ciao

- viole
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
They say the same about yours.

Ciao

- viole
I believe that wouldn't surprise me but the presumption is that I have one. The official position of the Baptists is that there is no doctrine other than the ordinances of Baptism and Communion. But then I suppose we could be criticized for not having doctrine.
 

rusra02

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I believe the teaching that Jesus is not God in the flesh is a non-Biblical teaching and the concept of Jesus being an angel has no valid basis at all.
OK, thanks. May I ask what scripture convinces you that Jesus is God in the flesh? We do not teach Jesus is an angel, but rather, the only begotten Son of God. We do believe he is the archangel Michael, based on 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Jude 9.
 
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