Are Jahovah Witness Christian?

[savagewind]

I think God lets it happen because it is so very, very funny.

 

[Lyndon]

Some of the best explainers of Christian doctrine I have heard have been Jehovah's Witnesses, Their understanding of Prophecy and just who exactly Jesus is makes more sense to me than most mainstream Christianity. I don't agree with everything they say, I'm not going to convert and become a member, but they are Christian, in every sense of the word, and to say they are not is just silly and intolerant IMHO. I seem to recollect you used to be Jehovah's Witness, correct me if I'm wrong, but if that's true I suggest you just get over it, let them do their thing, and do your own thing based on your own good judgment, which is exactly what I do myself.

 

[McBell]

Some of the best explainers of Christian doctrine I have heard have been Jehovah's Witnesses, Their understanding of Prophecy and just who exactly Jesus is makes more sense to me than most mainstream Christianity. I don't agree with everything they say, I'm not going to convert and become a member, but they are Christian, in every sense of the word, and to say they are not is just silly and intolerant IMHO. I seem to recollect you used to be Jehovah's Witness, correct me if I'm wrong, but if that's true I suggest you just get over it, let them do their thing, and do your own thing based on your own good judgment, which is exactly what I do myself.

until a non-christian disagrees with you, right?

 

[savagewind]

Some of the best explainers of Christian doctrine I have heard have been Jehovah's Witnesses, Their understanding of Prophecy and just who exactly Jesus is makes more sense to me than most mainstream Christianity. I don't agree with everything they say, I'm not going to convert and become a member, but they are Christian, in every sense of the word, and to say they are not is just silly and intolerant IMHO. I seem to recollect you used to be Jehovah's Witness, correct me if I'm wrong, but if that's true I suggest you just get over it, let them do their thing, and do your own thing based on your own good judgment, which is exactly what I do myself.

Did you see me say they are not Christian?

 

[Lyndon]

As a minister explained to me there is one sense where To Judge Not is a command, when it comes to judging peoples future at the judgment, it is not our place and we absolutely are not allowed to say this person is going to hell this one is saved etc, that is not our place and we are commanded to leave that decision to the only one truly qualified, which would be God. Of course all through our life we have to make judgments, we certainly shouldn't be judging others for things we do ourselves, again I would say from the scripture that would be a command.

 

[savagewind]

Some of the best explainers of Christian doctrine I have heard have been Jehovah's Witnesses, Their understanding of Prophecy and just who exactly Jesus is makes more sense to me than most mainstream Christianity. I don't agree with everything they say, I'm not going to convert and become a member, but they are Christian, in every sense of the word, and to say they are not is just silly and intolerant IMHO. I seem to recollect you used to be Jehovah's Witness, correct me if I'm wrong, but if that's true I suggest you just get over it, let them do their thing, and do your own thing based on your own good judgment, which is exactly what I do myself.

Good judgement good....bad judgement bad. Where is it written that good judgement is righteous but bad judgement is unrighteous? Isaiah 5:20

 

[savagewind]

As a minister explained to me there is one sense where To Judge Not is a command, when it comes to judging peoples future at the judgment, it is not our place and we absolutely are not allowed to say this person is going to hell this one is saved etc, that is not our place and we are commanded to leave that decision to the only one truly qualified, which would be God. Of course all through our life we have to make judgments, we certainly shouldn't be judging others for things we do ourselves, again I would say from the scripture that would be a command.

We aren't talking about that. But I can see what your heart is thinking.

 

[savagewind]

Where is my post saying that the JWs are not Christian, please?

 

[Lyndon]

Did you see me say they are not Christian?

I thought that is where this whole discussion started, if it wasn't you that said Jehovah' Witnesses weren't Christian, i guess I have made a big mistake, several people pages ago made the assertion they weren't Christian, and because of your comments, I thought you were one of them, I apologize.

 

[savagewind]

I thought that is where this whole discussion started, if it wasn't you that said Jehovah' Witnesses weren't Christian, i guess I have made a big mistake, several people pages ago made the assertion they weren't Christian, and because of your comments, I thought you were one of them, I apologize.

I accept your apology. Thank you.

 

[savagewind]

The Jehovah's Witnesses judge me unworthy to talk to. That is just true. Is it OK according to YOU?

 

[Lyndon]

I'm sorry savagewind, it seems we got off on the wrong foot, I stick up for the Jehovah's witnesses, but I'm not a conservative Christian at all, I don't believe you have to be Christian or even believe in God to be saved, for instance. I believe we are judged more on what we say and do than on what we believe or have faith in, I've usually appreciated your input on other threads, and should have been more respectful and careful in my comments, here's to better conversations in the future, cheers.

 

[Nietzsche]

Please define "believe in". What does in mean?

Believes he was born the son of god, while his(Jesus's) personal divinity being irrelevant.

 

[Muffled]

If you mean by " born again" having accepted Christ as my Savior, the answer is yes. All of Jws have done this, but being born again involves much more than that. Paul was not talking about being born again at Ephesians 5:1,2 when he urged Christians to be imitators of God. Rather, he urged them to "go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved us and gave himself for us as an offering and a sacrifice, a sweet fragrance to God." The context of Paul's words to "become imitators of me, even as I am of Christ" shows he was referring to his concern for others;,"Therefore, whether you are eating or drinking or doing anything else, do all things for God’s glory. Keep from becoming causes for stumbling to Jews as well as Greeks and to the congregation of God, just as I am trying to please all people in all things, not seeking my own advantage, but that of the many, so that they may be saved. Become imitators of me, just as I am of Christ."1 Corinthians 10:31-11:1)
I find that many who claim to be born again are not imitators of God or Christ in displaying genuine love for others, nor in living a godly and righteous life.

I have never heard a JW say this but it may mean something different to you. I believe if Jesus is your savior then you would not have to imitate Him because He would actually work in you. If you feel you have to imitate then you have reverted to being your own savior.

I believe this is a misinterpretation.

 

[Muffled]

Did you mean to say that? It seems to me that genuine love (God is love), godliness, and righteousness (God is righteous alone) cannot be separated. One comes with the other.

Can I be righteous without God?

I believe on e can be self righteous without God supposing that being an imitator is the same thing.

 

[Muffled]

Except there is no command to not judge...

I believe you missed that point that he thought judgement equates to hate. The truth is that we judge because we love and do not wish to see a person fall away from the truth.

 

[rusra02]

I have never heard a JW say this but it may mean something different to you. I believe if Jesus is your savior then you would not have to imitate Him because He would actually work in you. If you feel you have to imitate then you have reverted to being your own savior.

I believe this is a misinterpretation.

The Bible tells us to be imitators of God and Christ. (Ephesians 5:1, 1Peter 2:21)

 

[savagewind]

The Bible tells us to be imitators of God and Christ. (Ephesians 5:1, 1Peter 2:21)

To imitate someone, you must know them. Correct? But some religious leaders say that they are the only ones who know them. And then they ask you to imitate them, not God and Christ.

 

[Muffled]

The Bible tells us to be imitators of God and Christ. (Ephesians 5:1, 1Peter 2:21)

I believe you should be aware of what misinterpretation means.

 

[Glaurung]

I'm not familiar with the details of JW teaching, but from what I can gather I'd call them Christian only in a very loose sense. They are not merely heretical, they utterly renounce historic Christianity.