Are Playing Cards Evil ???

[FFH]

Nice post Scott, number 299..

 

[FFH]

Poker cheat

And?

Regards,
Scott

Just because they are legal doesn't necessarily mean they don't have professional cheats on their side.

I mean seriously, I see people cheat here at work all the time. We are a legal business, but customers get cheated every day by the main manager, who trains his employees to cheat too. It makes me sick... I told him flat out I'm gonna go by the book. What can he say ???
I'm the assistant and work 60 hours, no one will replace me, no one wants the job and others have tried but they end up ripping the store off, when they see customers getting ripped off. Corruption corrupts absolutely, or something like that...

Why would a "legal" casino be any different ???? Much much worse in my opinon.

Corruption is found in "legal" businesses, so why not in the gambling industry ???

 

[Booko]

And, the reason I haven't come back is because I actually have things to do besides come here, and because I've realized that this thread, and debating with you, is a complete waste of my time.

Alas, there are days with :spam: is a higher priority than posting as a user.

 

[Booko]

- Again from poker: mental challenge. Between good opponents, it has all the strategy of chess (another game involving deception, BTW).

I'm at a loss to understand how chess involves deception. All the pieces are visible. If someone doesn't spot what you're up to, that's not trickery, it's their lack of skill.

 

[Booko]

Another compliment...you guys are too kind...

You know, FFH, it isn't always about you.

We have to sacrifice posting as users sometimes because we're called away to do a job here.

I know it's the full moon and all, but...sheesh

 

[FFH]

You know, FFH, it isn't always about you.

We have to sacrifice posting as users sometimes because we're called away to do a job here.

I know it's the full moon and all, but...sheesh

Ah, I see, sorry

 

[Popeyesays]

I'm at a loss to understand how chess involves deception. All the pieces are visible. If someone doesn't spot what you're up to, that's not trickery, it's their lack of skill.

Go is another game where all the pieces are visible but deceptive play is key to good play.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Popeyesays]

Casinos have all the weight on their side and every dollar that crosses their hands leaves its nickel behind.

If a casino DID cheat and got caught they would lose their license and all those tens and hundreds of millions of dollars they never needed to cheat to get.

Regards,
Scott

 

[FFH]

Casinos have all the weight on their side and every dollar that crosses their hands leaves its nickel behind.

If a casino DID cheat and got caught they would lose their license and all those tens and hundreds of millions of dollars they never needed to cheat to get.

Regards,
Scott

Yeah, good point

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Why would a "legal" casino be any different ???? Much much worse in my opinon.

Corruption is found in "legal" businesses, so why not in the gambling industry ???

Gambling is heavily regulated and inspected.

Worrying about that cheating in amateur poker games might imply that casinos cheat is very much like worrying that people who doesn't wash their hands after handling raw meat at home might imply that food producers have unsafe food handling practices.

I'm at a loss to understand how chess involves deception. All the pieces are visible. If someone doesn't spot what you're up to, that's not trickery, it's their lack of skill.

Even if you can see every possibility ten moves ahead, you can't necessarily prepare for all of them. Your opponent's strategy will be based at least in part on what he thinks you will do, so misdirection in this regard can be very useful.

OTOH, I'm not that good a chess player, and when I do play, I tend to play against other not-so-good chess players.

 

[Panda]

I still don't understand how something that is fun and harms no one can be evil? Also FFH you never answered my question earlier. You seem to think gambling is evil. Gambling is paying for entertainment. Is your T.V evil? Or is a book evil? They are both forms of entertainment that you pay for.

 

[madhatter85]

Gambling is heavily regulated and inspected.

Worrying about that cheating in amateur poker games might imply that casinos cheat is very much like worrying that people who doesn't wash their hands after handling raw meat at home might imply that food producers have unsafe food handling practices.


Even if you can see every possibility ten moves ahead, you can't necessarily prepare for all of them. Your opponent's strategy will be based at least in part on what he thinks you will do, so misdirection in this regard can be very useful.

OTOH, I'm not that good a chess player, and when I do play, I tend to play against other not-so-good chess players.

Cess-

It's nopt deception, it's about preparation, whoever prepares thier pieces in the best defesive and offensive pattern regarding the movements of thier opponent will win, there is no deception, misdirection maybe, but that is only if the opponent doesn't look at the entire picture. people get blind and stop thinking ahead only focusing on one part of the board.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It's nopt deception, it's about preparation, whoever prepares thier pieces in the best defesive and offensive pattern regarding the movements of thier opponent will win, there is no deception, misdirection maybe, but that is only if the opponent doesn't look at the entire picture. people get blind and stop thinking ahead only focusing on one part of the board.

Misdirection is a form of deception, and as they say, "if you defend everywhere, you defend nowhere," or as Sun Tzu put it slightly more eloquently:

16. The spot where we intend to fight must not be
made known; for then the enemy will have to prepare
against a possible attack at several different points;
and his forces being thus distributed in many directions,
the numbers we shall have to face at any given point will
be proportionately few.

17. For should the enemy strengthen his van,
he will weaken his rear; should he strengthen his rear,
he will weaken his van; should he strengthen his left,
he will weaken his right; should he strengthen his right,
he will weaken his left. If he sends reinforcements everywhere,
he will everywhere be weak.

18. Numerical weakness comes from having to prepare
against possible attacks; numerical strength, from compelling
our adversary to make these preparations against us.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I still don't understand how something that is fun and harms no one can be evil? Also FFH you never answered my question earlier. You seem to think gambling is evil. Gambling is paying for entertainment. Is your T.V evil? Or is a book evil? They are both forms of entertainment that you pay for.

What I'm wondering about is why the mental leap "if gambling's evil, then _____ is evil" would be valid for playing cards, but not for dice, horses, professional sports, felt, or anything else that, like cards, is also used for both gambling and non-gambling purposes.

 

[madhatter85]

Misdirection is a form of deception, and as they say, "if you defend everywhere, you defend nowhere," or as Sun Tzu put it slightly more eloquently:

i said "MAYBE Misdirection"

i was only trying to realte it but it's the wrogn word...

foresight is all it is.

 

[McBell]

What I'm wondering about is why the mental leap "if gambling's evil, then _____ is evil" would be valid for playing cards, but not for dice, horses, professional sports, felt, or anything else that, like cards, is also used for both gambling and non-gambling purposes.

Simply put...
FFH is taking the responsibility away from the people and attempting to place upon the cards.

 

[FFH]

Cess-

It's nopt deception, it's about preparation, whoever prepares thier pieces in the best defesive and offensive pattern regarding the movements of thier opponent will win, there is no deception, misdirection maybe, but that is only if the opponent doesn't look at the entire picture. people get blind and stop thinking ahead only focusing on one part of the board.

It depends on if you gain something of eternal value from the activity your participating in..

Is what you're watching or listening to or doing going to bring you eternal happiness or just a temporary thrill..

Sure gambling is a rush, as are a lot of things, but will they bring lasting joy into your life ????

 

[FFH]

For instance this movie has had a lasting affect on my spirit for good...


Joan of arc (Moya brenna) - Change my world

Even this short clip/trailer/music video of this movie has had a positive affect on my mind, heart and spirit.

A DVD, a telivision set and a computer where all involve in bring about this experience.

They are not evil in and of themselves...a television set, DVD, radio, computer, etc were not created for evil purposes nor do we associate these objects with evil when we see them in the stores. They are neutral objects..

Poker/face/playing/tarot cards, on the other hand, were created for a specific evil purpose...

They are not neutral objects, but were designed for a specific purpose...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It depends on if you gain something of eternal value from the activity your participating in..

Is what you're watching or listening to or doing going to bring you eternal happiness or just a temporary thrill..

Sure gambling is a rush, as are a lot of things, but will they bring lasting joy into your life ????

Hmm...

Personally, I think that testing your limits in any regard is a good thing: by challenging yourself in any endeavour, be it your profession, sports, or even something like poker, will help expand the limits of your abilities in all other areas, as well as help you to learn more about your true self.

Whether you complete a 40-yard pass to win the championship or read your opponent just right to win an all-in hand of poker, when you do something you didn't think you could do, you realize that many of your limits are self-imposed, which is a lesson you can apply to your whole life. Different people learn that lesson in different ways.

That's not to say that gambling doesn't have a negative side; like anything, too much is bad, and doing it for the wrong reasons is bad. However, to say that no good can come of it is not true.

 

[FFH]

Poker cards, as we know them, did originate from tarot cards..