Are Playing Cards Evil ???

[FFH]

Which He could have done any time and which He presumably knew from the start would need fixing, but which He waited three months until your friend asked Him to heal them before He actually did anything about them?

Hmm.

I did not ask for my foot to be fixed, until I realized it wasn't getting better on it's own, that's when I asked God in prayer to help me out and he did...

I also had broken ribs that kept bothering me. There was nothing any doctor could do for me and I didn't want pins in my foot.. Just hope for the best a physical therapist said and lay horizontal until the swelling goes down. I did that for nearly a year..

It was bad and could have permanently damaged my foot to the point of not being able to use it or could have lost it...

It was messed up.

You've equated the necessity of surgery to playing cards...

Why is that ???

Are cards a necessity here on earth, do we rely on them in case we're a few bucks short on rent. Do we use them as a crutch in case we get into financial troubles and need to gamble in order to win some quick cash /??

This mentality is not good at all...

God is the source of all we need and he will not fail us if we do what he says.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

After observing the way these cards are being defended here, it's obvious many have an unhealthy obsession with these particular cards.

If I started a thread on the evils of Uno cards, not many would respond.

Don't mess with peoples poker playing cards, they are so dear to people's heart.

Actually, I don't think I've touched a deck of cards in close to a year. I just think your objection to playing cards is silly.

Could it be that somebody dedicated these cards, with their particular renderings and indices to Satan and his many vices he imputes unto men ???

Is not card playing/poker one of the most searched/popular things on the net.

I thought that was Paris Hilton.

The last manager I worked under, myself being the assistant, spent hours each day here at work playing poker or whatever with others on the net or with the computer...

Practice poker with virtual money...he was obsessed...he had money problems to no end..deep in debt...

People waste just as much time and money with sports gambling, and there are plenty of virtual "sports pools" that work on points... virtual money. Are sports inherently immoral?

 

[FFH]

I would have had to go into serious debt in order to have my foot fixed properly and instead relied on God to fix it and hey, guess what, he actually did and I have the uncashed insurance check to prove it, which they finally gave me two years later, but by then I would have been thousands of dollars into debt over my head and the insurance companies screw people over every time if you don't get a lawyer....

God is the source of all we need not these cards and what they can supposedly afford us in the form of winnings in the gambling industry.

They are offensive to God, these cards, I know this for a fact and feel it deep down in my spirit...

I can't deny that.

You can assign scriptures which say all things are not evil in and of themselves, but it's not referring to playing cards, which were not even a reality until the "modern" age.

So how can there be a scripture for or against these cards ??? Only modern revelation, which I've posted earlier...

Four prophets and one very well known apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ of the LDS church, of which there are over 13 million members and growing worldwide, all have spoken out against poker cards in the home..

That's enough for me...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You've equated the necessity of surgery to playing cards...

Why is that ???

No, I haven't equated playing cards to any necessity. I simply seized on the first clear analogy that popped into my head that demonstrated why your "if we won't have it in heaven, we shouldn't have it on Earth" argument was illogical.

 

[MaddLlama]

So, are they only bad for Christians then?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I would have had to go into serious debt in order to have my foot fixed properly and instead relied on God to fix it and hey, guess what, he actually did and I have the uncashed insurance check to prove it, which they finally gave me two years later, but by then I would have been thousands of dollars into debt over my head and the insurance companies screw people over every time if you don't get a lawyer....

So... you got a piece of paper that says "pay to the order of" and refused to cash it. As a consequence, the insurance company that you describe in fairly awful terms keeps its money, and whatever worthy cause you would've donated it to is out a fair chunk of change. That's doing God's will how, exactly?

God is the source of all we need not these cards and what they can supposedly afford us in the form of winnings in the gambling industry.

They are offensive to God, these cards, I know this for a fact and feel it deep down in my spirit...

I can't deny that.

And if some of us feel deep down in our spirits that your stance on this issue is overly legalist and slightly silly, does that have just as much merit?

You can assign scriptures which say all things are not evil in and of themselves, but it's not referring to playing cards, which were not even a reality until the "modern" age.

So how can there be a scripture for or against these cards ??? Only modern revelation, which I've posted earlier...

There are Biblical passages that refer to "all things" and "nothing", as well as general concepts.

Are you trying to claim that if it's not mentioned in the Bible, then it's immoral? Telephones aren't in the Bible; neither are air conditioning, water treatment or drywall. Should we be wary of these things as well?

Four prophets and one very well known apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ of the LDS church, of which there are over 13 million members and growing worldwide, all have spoken out against poker cards in the home..

That's enough for me...

How could "one very well known apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ" have said anything on poker cards? They weren't invented until more than a millenium after the Bible was written, and you yourself said that the Bible doesn't mention them.

 

[FFH]

Actually, I don't think I've touched a deck of cards in close to a year. I just think your objection to playing cards is silly.

It's an avenue into the mantality of gaining something for doing nothing..

Many lose all they have...

I thought that was Paris Hilton.

People waste just as much time and money with sports gambling, and there are plenty of virtual "sports pools" that work on points... virtual money. Are sports inherently immoral?

No, of course not...but the means whereby to bet/gamble on sports is...

A guy I worked with for years is totally hooked on this... He steals from every company he works for in order to support his habbit. It used to drive me crazy working with him and his stealing habits.. He's nothing but a taker from society. Never gives back anything, just takes...

He seems to suck the life out of all he comes in contact with. I know so many people like this. Very draining people to be around and it's like you can breathe again when they're not constantly around you. Ugh, horrible/sucks to be him...

The LDS church has also counseled us not to have guns in the home, it's the same principle, these are things that can be temptations for evil purposes, just as playing cards are...

Get them out of the home and that's one less thing to be tempted to do evil by...

Computers seem to be an extreme form of temptation also, but filters can be installed.

 

[FFH]

No, I haven't equated playing cards to any necessity. I simply seized on the first clear analogy that popped into my head that demonstrated why your "if we won't have it in heaven, we shouldn't have it on Earth" argument was illogical.

Okay, fair enough...

So, are they only bad for Christians then?

Why would this only apply to Christians, does not God care for all his creations equally ???

ALL are important to him...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, of course not...but the means whereby to bet/gamble on sports is...

Would you mind explaining the "of course"?

It's not so clear to me why, if playing cards are immoral because some people who play non-betting games with with them go on to gamble, that watching professional sports would also not be immoral, since some people (and possibly a higher percentage than with cards) go on to wager on the games they watch.

How about horses? Horse racing is one sport that's pretty well entirely based on gambling. Is it wrong for a person to own a horse?

 

[FFH]

Would you mind explaining the "of course"?

It's not so clear to me why, if playing cards are immoral because some people who play non-betting games with with them go on to gamble, that watching professional sports would also not be immoral, since some people (and possibly a higher percentage than with cards) go on to wager on the games they watch.

How about horses? Horse racing is one sport that's pretty well entirely based on gambling. Is it wrong for a person to own a horse?

Good points for sure, but when one thinks of football or a horse, one does not usually /automatically equate/think of gambling.

When you look at a deck of cards, immediately one thinks of gambling and the possibilites of becoming proficient in that skill, by practicing with non monetary items, such as poker chips, with friends..

It can become an addiction fast...

I could get into it, but I know the end result is nothing but loss and heartache...

 

[MaddLlama]

Why would this only apply to Christians, does not God care for all his creations equally ??? ALL are important to him... No one is overlooked by the all seeing eyes of God.

I don't answer to the same God that you do, so I was just curious if that made a difference to the evil-ness of playing cards.

I still have some questions though:

Are only playing cards with pictures on them evil? Why, or why not? Couldn't a person conceivably play poker or another gambling based game with a set of cards that had no pictures?
Is it the cards themselves, or gambling with the cards that makes them evil? Couldn't a person turn any card game, even one as innocent as Go Fish or Old Maid, into a gambling game? I can already think of ways.
If playing cards came about before modern day fortune telling cards, does that make playing cards less evil? Is it because playing cards have pictures that are remotely similar to Tarot cards?
Is it only their connection to Tarot cards that makes you uncomfortable? What do you imagine is so evil about Tarot cards that even a minuscule relation to playing cards makes them evil as well?

For the record, Tarot cards are so different than the Trump/Pip Tarocchi cards that it would be nearly impossible to play Tarocchi with a modern Tarot deck

 

[MaddLlama]

When you look at a deck of cards, immediately one thinks of gambling and the possibilites of becoming proficiant in that skill, by practicing with non monetary items, such as poker chips, with friends..

As I said before, you immediately think of gambling. Many people don't. When I see a deck of playing cards I immediately think of magic tricks, because my husband is a magician, and that's mainly what we use the cards for. Neither of us play card games at all, and neither of us gamble (my husband isn't even really allowed into Casinos).

So, why is it that when you think of playing cards, you only think of gambling, and why it is that you simply can't accept that not everyone thinks the same way you do?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Good points for sure, but when one thinks of football or a horse, one does not usually equate that with gambling.

When you look at a deck of cards, immediately one thinks of gambling and the possibilites of becoming proficiant in that skill, by practicing with non monetary items, such as poker chips, with friends..

It can become an addiction fast...

Personally, when I think of football, "beating the spread" comes to mind about as quickly as gambling does when I think of cards.

Actually, my personal theory to explain why certain (IMO) mind-numbingly boring professional sports have survived is that gambing on them sustained enough interest in them to keep them going.

 

[FFH]

Are only playing cards with pictures on them evil? Why, or why not? Couldn't a person conceivably play poker or another gambling based game with a set of cards that had no pictures?

Sure, and for that reason I don't own any cards whatsoever. I'm sort of a quaker type of person at heart, but I gotta have my computer, my window into the world, so I'm not interested in closing all the doors and living a hermits life, so I won't be tempted in any way...but I don't and have never had cable, if that gives anyone a clue as to who I am...

Computers are a big temptation into other things, of which I have to be aware and not get too involved with all the crazy stuff that's on the net...

Lot's of crazy temptations for sure, which we all fall victim too, not immune to that for sure. We are all human and have many weaknesses, this is just one I can do without. Games are just not my thing at all. I hate wasting time doing nothing, and games seem to me like doing nothing, very very boring to me...

Is it the cards themselves, or gambling with the cards that makes them evil? Couldn't a person turn any card game, even one as innocent as Go Fish or Old Maid, into a gambling game? I can already think of ways.

Yeah, sure, "the imaginations of men's heart are evil continually," as this scripture states. Sorry don't have reference for that...will look it up later because it definitely applies here.

If playing cards came about before modern day fortune telling cards, does that make playing cards less evil?

No, just curious how they came about I guess. I still might want to look into that more.

it because playing cards have pictures that are remotely similar to Tarot cards?

I think it's what those symbols and renderings have come to represent, that being the gambling industry .

Is it only their connection to Tarot cards that makes you uncomfortable?

No, it's their connection to gambling that makes me uncomfortable.

If a person blows his living on a poker game/games, that man is worse than an infidel.

Scriptures say, "Those who do not provide for their own (families) are worse than an infidel" will look that one up later too for the reference. It would be better for a man to sleep with another woman than to not provide for the one he already had...

Murder is next to seriousness, in God's eyes, to adultery, so not providing for your families is somewhere in between that...

What do you imagine is so evil about Tarot cards that even a minuscule relation to playing cards makes them evil as well?

The renderings, indices and the philosophies and beliefs represented by these symbols and renderings are in opposition to Christ and his teachings, for instance the magician card...

For the record, Tarot cards are so different than the Trump/Pip Tarocchi cards that it would be nearly impossible to play Tarocchi with a modern Tarot deck

I understand that

 

[MaddLlama]

The renderings, indices, philosophies behind Tarot cards are in opposition to Christ and his teachings, for instance the magician card...

Maybe you ought to pay some attention to the Tarot study I'm going to be running, since you're clearly not in the "know" about their symbolism.

 

[FFH]

I have no games, no cable, very little possessions to speak of.

I live very basically and feel very very free as a result.

I like to keep things as simple as possible. My life is very very streamlined.

I have a car but don't use it, since it's so costly to repair/keep running. I do all the repairs myself though, so it doesn't cost much for me, just got tired of working on it all the time.

Now ride a bullet bike to work and the upkeep on that is next to nothing...

Simple is better. I throw away as much as possible. One only needs a certain amount of things to keep things going...

 

[FFH]

Maybe you ought to pay some attention to the Tarot study I'm going to be running, since you're clearly not in the "know" about their symbolism.

I have been reading your thread, can't respond there of course in the negative, it being in the DIvination DIR forum..

I definitely have some opinions, not necessarily negative, just the way I see them and what they portray; opposition to Christ and his teachings...

That's all...

To each his own, whatever seems to make one content, just trying to provide a better way, which is all Christ ever tried to do for mankind.

"I am come to give life and life more abundantly". Again don't have a reference, I know scripture, just not references.

 

[Pardus]

Maybe you ought to pay some attention to the Tarot study I'm going to be running, since you're clearly not in the "know" about their symbolism.

I'm of the school that believes the symbolism means nothing, it's what you read from each card that matters.

You can look at the tower and see security if using the right deck in the right reading.

 

[MaddLlama]

I have been reading your thread, can't respond there of course in the negative, it being in the DIvination DIR forum..

I definitely have some opinions, not necessarily negative, just the way I see them and what they portray; opposition to Christ and his teachings...

That's all...

To each his own, whatever seems to make one content, just trying to provide a better way, which is all Christ ever tried to do for mankind.

"I am come to give life and life more abundantly". Again don't have a reference, I know scripture, just not references.

Yes, just like it's your personal interpretation that cards are evil.

Would you mind commenting on or answering the question in post 252? I've made this comment a few times, with no response.

 

[FFH]

I'm not going to respond in any DIR forum, as a rule, especially on a matter like this or tarot cards, It's too easy for me to get an infraction and so I generally will not respond in any DIR forum..

I may start my own thread on tarot cards and examine them for what they are and point out the opposition they pose to Christianity in general

I forget too easily that I'm not in a debate setting and quickly get an infraction, one being permanent now.

Will generally only start my own threads too, from now on, cause I tend to offend and/or hijack threads..

Trying to tone it down as best I can...