I've said this a million times, when our country quit manufacturing things a whole segment of society got left behind.
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Are Progressives like Nazis?
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Come on, Rick, I'm not arguing people are equal. You're building a straw man there.
Alceste
Vagabond
Yup. And people who were once "very, very rich" became "obscenely rich" and hijacked the democratic process while everyone else was left fighting over jobs at Walmart.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
An even better analogy would be the Dekulakization. But of course he wouldnt even know that word.
Oh no poor rich people. The americans are starting to get their act together to view the wealth hoarding, greedy capitalists as wealth hoarding greedy capitalists and not as rolemodels for the future. What has the world come to?
I thank you for this post. People here in the States who live in "poverty" have a greater lifestyle than most world wide. Just one look at the average square foot their air conditioned homes have or how many cars are in the driveway.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
H. Ross Perot's "great sucking sound" phrase is what comes to mind.
Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
I wonder who started the exodus of our manufacturing jobs.
Alceste
Vagabond
I thank you for this post. People here in the States who live in "poverty" have a greater lifestyle than most world wide. Just one look at the average square foot their air conditioned homes have or how many cars are in the driveway.
Just look at Iti Oj, a young man in the prime of his life who, instead of advancing his own career prospects, is using up his own meager wealth and energy trying to sustain his mother and siblings and fend off tens of thousands of dollars worth of medical debt. And all the while, the 0.01% are complaining that life is too easy for the poor and doing everything in their power to make things worse for him... and better for themselves.
Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
I thank you for this post. People here in the States who live in "poverty" have a greater lifestyle than most world wide. Just one look at the average square foot their air conditioned homes have or how many cars are in the driveway.
The free trade agreement comes to mind. You do know who signed that bill and made it law right?
Parenthetically, today is Holocaust Remembrance Day.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Just one look at the average square foot their air conditioned homes have or how many cars are in the driveway.
Ah yes the credit bubble. That is going to be so fun when it bursts.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
There had been a gradual movement of manufacturing out of the country over decades, but the biggest push occurred with NAFTA when G.H.W. Bush signed it into law in 1992, although negotiations on the deal went back to 1986 under Reagan.
I seriously hope that you're not trying to blame it solely on Clinton considering that Bush had worked for years to see it come to life and had made every attempt to fast track it during his administration and it passed with majority Republican support in both houses of Congress.
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Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
Clamping down on free trade wouldn't solve the problem. Even talking heads on MSNBC are beginning to discuss the underlying problem of an increasingly technological economy having less use for lower skill labor. As more & more people are replaced by machines & software, the labor glut will reduce wages for them. We need workers with much better technical educations. But I expect that even they will feel the pressure as business & manufacturing become less dependent upon people.
Alceste
Vagabond
It's pretty uninformed to believe that there is ANY mainstream political party in the English speaking world that does not whole-heartedly embrace the doctrine of global trade liberalization. That's been the uninterrupted trend in geopolitics since the unholy trinity of Reagan / Thatcher / Mulroney paved the way for it.
Northern Lights
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
Absolute BS.
The guy making the claim is closer to an analogy with Hitler, than those protesting at gross greed and capitalism.
And Godwin's law was invoke from the outset in this discussion!
Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The guy making the claim is closer to an analogy with Hitler, than those protesting at gross greed and capitalism.
And Godwin's law was invoke from the outset in this discussion!
Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Pretty much common sense would have it that the more free trade, the lower the wages for the average worker here in North America and in much of western Europe. The driving force here is wages, which is the greatest single cost in manufacturing. If we think we can compete with countries paying under a dollar an hour, especially with many of those countries that do have good educational systems, then we're simply deluding ourselves.
The move into NAFTA and other free-trade agreements was a bonanza for business since they could produce widgets at lower costs, which also made this whole process more appealing to consumers here in the west. Take a look at the success of Walmart as an example, but how many "Made In America" products do you actually find there? In order to compete with companies like Walmart, other companies had to do the same or their products would be more expensive.
So, business, most of the politicians, and much of the American public, benefited in the short run because we had an economic and educational edge, but in the long run we're reaping the penalty with the prognosis actually worsening.
The move into NAFTA and other free-trade agreements was a bonanza for business since they could produce widgets at lower costs, which also made this whole process more appealing to consumers here in the west. Take a look at the success of Walmart as an example, but how many "Made In America" products do you actually find there? In order to compete with companies like Walmart, other companies had to do the same or their products would be more expensive.
So, business, most of the politicians, and much of the American public, benefited in the short run because we had an economic and educational edge, but in the long run we're reaping the penalty with the prognosis actually worsening.