Are religion and philosophy mutually exclusive?

[FFH]

The only time that I am truely at peace and I feel at home is when I am high in the Uinta mountains, smelling the smells and hearing the sounds that God has created. Because I have studied art, I seem to look at things in a different way. My studies of art helped me see the details of life, not only the physical but the spiritual. I am an extemely detailed person and so is God. Only he takes it to a whole new level. We cannot even see with the natural eye all the things that God has created.

 

[pdoel]

Why would I want to study the philosophies of men and stoop to their level. I want to move to a higher level of thinking. This is faith.

That's a question only you can answer. We cannot answer that for you.

The question this thread has left me with, is if you would not want to study the philosophies of man, why did you start a topic discussing philosophies, and spend three pages debating it?

 

[FFH]

The philosophies of men pick apart faith and and try to discredit and destroy those that have faith in the unseen.

Philosophy is about seeing something in order to prove it exists or that it happened.
Faith is about not seeing something and believing that it exists or that it happened.

Philosophy denies faith and faith will deny philosophy.

 

[RagnarGalt]

I do not believe it is necessary to separate philosophy from religion, if you are using this definition of philosophy: " Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods."... Many people claim that God works in mysterious ways, or that the nature of God cannot be understood... Many people use 'faith' as a generic term for all religious belief in an attempt to not have to clearly understand what the Bible teaches or what God expects of us... I believe that one can start at the beginning of the Bible and read and apply only logical reasoning to it and will, in fact, come up with the perfect truth... Belief in God is ultimately logical as well, and just because he is not seen, does not make his existence any less logical than electricity or air, which we only know exist through results that they produce...

 

[pdoel]

The philosophies of men pick apart faith and and try to discredit and destroy those that have faith in the unseen.

Philosophy is about seeing something in order to prove it exists or that it happened.
Faith is about not seeing something and believing that it exists or that it happened.

Philosophy denies faith and faith will deny philosophy.

But then here is a question. Faith, for all practical purposes, pertains to religion. It typically is described as the belief or pursuit of a deity.

Throughout time, man has questioned life. Why does the sun rise. What causes storms. Look back at Greek Mythology. I remember in school, laughing at how stupid the Greeks were for developing so many Gods to try and explain everything.

Is Religion not a search for truth? Philosophy is no different. Sure, faith means believing in something we cannot prove. By philosophy really is not much different. It's a means at trying to find the truth as well.

Religion is totally based on trying to find the answers. We just have faith that our religion IS the truth.

 

[SoyLeche]

Here's my main problem with what has been said here. Philosophy doesn't DO or SAY anything. Philosophers do. If there is anything to debate about what a philosopher has said, debate it. But philosophy in and of itself has never done anything to faith.

 

[Traitorist]

yeah it is

 

[Bishka]

Why would I want to study the philosophies of men and stoop to their level. I want to move to a higher level of thinking. This is faith.

You are a man, you have no right to put others down like you do. You really are full of youself, you know that? You think that just because you have the truth, that it is the only truth and nothing can defer from that truth.

All you do is brag about you life, make it seem like you have a horrible life, or pretend to be a pious Christian saint.

 

[Aqualung]

Why would I want to spend my precious time studying the philosophies of men. This will not help me in my eternal progression.

I'd rather be skiing.

Skiing won't help your eternal progression. I doubt very much that God will judge you based on your skiing abilities. I also doubt he will judge you on how many car manuals you have read, or how many car problems you have fixed, or how great a soccer player you are. Reall, nothing helps us in our eternal progression.

Just out of curiosity, is it just philosophy you don't like, or is it all liberal arts?

 

[Aqualung]

The only time that I am truely at peace and I feel at home is when I am high in the Uinta mountains, smelling the smells and hearing the sounds that God has created. Because I have studied art, I seem to look at things in a different way. My studies of art helped me see the details of life, not only the physical but the spiritual. I am an extemely detailed person and so is God. Only he takes it to a whole new level. We cannot even see with the natural eye all the things that God has created.

My studies of philosophy help me to see the details in my religion, not just the physical, but the spiritual. I am extrememly detailed, due in part to my studies of philosophy.

 

[Aqualung]

That's a question only you can answer. We cannot answer that for you.

The question this thread has left me with, is if you would not want to study the philosophies of man, why did you start a topic discussing philosophies, and spend three pages debating it?

Maize actually started it, at my request, because a different thread was getting off topic, and I thought it would be an interesting topic to continue.

 

[Buttons*]

In actuallity, some philosophers are very religious. FFH, have you ever considered this perpective: Religion is a means to express philosophy in layments terms. Religions are very philosophical infact. Same concepts that can be found in most religious books are about simple "reason" itself. God could be an allegory for philosophical ideals. The two can coenside. Personally i dont see that Philosophy kills religion. Infact, it was the study of philosophy that brought me to gnostics. Philosophy is enlightening, and if you feel like it's going to ruin religion, then religion must not be that strong. (well, not me personally, but im just sayin...)

If you all want to read an amazing philosophical book that does not attack religion, you should read "the Heart of Philosophy" by Jacob Needleman... it's amazing.

 

[FFH]

That's a question only you can answer. We cannot answer that for you.

The question this thread has left me with, is if you would not want to study the philosophies of man, why did you start a topic discussing philosophies, and spend three pages debating it?

Maize named this and started it because me and Aqualung went off the subject in another thread. I did not intend for this to happen. I was originally talking about taking a hard look at Christ's life to see if he was single or married in order to make a point. Look at the beginning of the thread and then look at the thread "Is masturbation a sin?" That is how it all started.

 

[YmirGF]

Hi FFH,

I have spent an hour of my life reading this thread. I detect that you have some "issues" with philosophy and philosophers in general, although you logic escapes me. Then again, you never give details about what you do not like about philosophy. It's just plain wrong, so what is there to talk about?

Your general complaints do not leave us much to go, but I can still draw a few simple conclusions.

1. You claim to be a semi-retired Christ loving living success story. You attest to the fact that it is your views that got you where you are. (No arguments there. No siree!)

2. You also claim to be modestly bright and from your sentence structure and grammar, it would seem safe to conclude that you are a tiny notch above average, without any doubt. (However, if you needed an "internet IQ test" to prove to yourself you are a smart guy, then frankly, you're not very smart.)

3. You tell us that you are detail oriented, and yet do not provide us with details to back up your claim. Details on your personal life, perhaps, but nothing real meaty in regards to your original point. From this I would have to conclude that you are in fact not detail oriented at all. It you are, you are very selective about the details you choose to keep. (You might want to take ski poles on that slippery slope.)

The sad fact is that you do not like people who do not think like you and that is why you only find peace when you are alone in the wilderness. Further to this, you are frustrated because you cannot follow what they are telling you.

The saddest part of your whole argument is that you have clearly proven, by example, the true value of philosophy. No doubt, you are unaware of why or how.

 

[Bishka]

Hi FFH,

I have spent an hour of my life reading this thread. I detect that you have some "issues" with philosophy and philosophers in general, although you logic escapes me. Then again, you never give details about what you do not like about philosophy. It's just plain wrong, so what is there to talk about?

Your general complaints do not leave us much to go, but I can still draw a few simple conclusions.

1. You claim to be a semi-retired Christ loving living success story. You attest to the fact that it is your views that got you where you are. (No arguments there. No siree!)

2. You also claim to be modestly bright and from your sentence structure and grammar, it would seem safe to conclude that you are a tiny notch above average, without any doubt. (However, if you needed an "internet IQ test" to prove to yourself you are a smart guy, then frankly, you're not very smart.)

3. You tell us that you are detail oriented, and yet do not provide us with details to back up your claim. Details on your personal life, perhaps, but nothing real meaty in regards to your original point. From this I would have to conclude that you are in fact not detail oriented at all. It you are, you are very selective about the details you choose to keep. (You might want to take ski poles on that slippery slope.)

The sad fact is that you do not like people who do not think like you and that is why you only find peace when you are alone in the wilderness. Further to this, you are frustrated because you cannot follow what they are telling you.

The saddest part of your whole argument is that you have clearly proven, by example, the true value of philosophy. No doubt, you are unaware of why or how.

:clap :clap

 

[FFH]

The internet IQ test was only for fun, not to prove anything. Only to reaffirm what I already knew. I am sure it is not a standard IQ test. Just for fun. If you want to analyze it yourself or take it here is a link www.tickle.com click on super IQ test. It's just for fun, nothing serious and yes I am an average person like anyone, but with above average intelligence. I am not the idiot Christian next door that you may know. I have thought things through quite a bit.

The internet IQ test is and I quote myself "just for fun." Is that something you have all forgotten? You are all too serious. You don't know how to have fun. Fun to you is telling an offensive joke.

Everything must be proved or disproved to all of you. If I said I wanted to go skiing you would all debate it and say "How do you know you want to go skiing?" "Can you prove that you want to go skiing?" "How do you know skiing exists?" "If you haven't been skiing before, then how do you know the ski resort or even the mountain exists?" Jibberish !!!!!!!

Lighten up !!!!!!!

 

[FFH]

I just looked at the description of the IQ test, and yes, it is the real deal. It is a real IQ test. Just try it and see. You may be surprised at the results. It is worth taking. It is very enlightening and gives you a synopsis of what type of person you are. It gives your strengths and weaknesses. Tells you what kinds of things you are good at. Everyone is good at something.

 

[michel]

Hi FFH,

I have spent an hour of my life reading this thread. I detect that you have some "issues" with philosophy and philosophers in general, although you logic escapes me. Then again, you never give details about what you do not like about philosophy. It's just plain wrong, so what is there to talk about?

Your general complaints do not leave us much to go, but I can still draw a few simple conclusions.

1. You claim to be a semi-retired Christ loving living success story. You attest to the fact that it is your views that got you where you are. (No arguments there. No siree!)

2. You also claim to be modestly bright and from your sentence structure and grammar, it would seem safe to conclude that you are a tiny notch above average, without any doubt. (However, if you needed an "internet IQ test" to prove to yourself you are a smart guy, then frankly, you're not very smart.)

3. You tell us that you are detail oriented, and yet do not provide us with details to back up your claim. Details on your personal life, perhaps, but nothing real meaty in regards to your original point. From this I would have to conclude that you are in fact not detail oriented at all. It you are, you are very selective about the details you choose to keep. (You might want to take ski poles on that slippery slope.)

The sad fact is that you do not like people who do not think like you and that is why you only find peace when you are alone in the wilderness. Further to this, you are frustrated because you cannot follow what they are telling you.

The saddest part of your whole argument is that you have clearly proven, by example, the true value of philosophy. No doubt, you are unaware of why or how.

An excellent post my friend; Fruballs to you!

FFH, I must admit that as soon as I saw the title of the thread, I was taken aback; I think that makes my position clear.

 

[Aqualung]

Everything must be proved or disproved to all of you. If I said I wanted to go skiing you would all debate it and say "How do you know you want to go skiing?" "Can you prove that you want to go skiing?" "How do you know skiing exists?" "If you haven't been skiing before, then how do you know the ski resort or even the mountain exists?" Jibberish !!!!!!!

Lighten up !!!!!!!

A) This is what debate forums are for.
B) You're taking an awful lot of time trying to prove to us that philosophy is bad, and prove to us that you are an intelligent, god-fearing man who would know.

 

[Bishka]

A) This is what debate forums are for.
B) You're taking an awful lot of time trying to prove to us that philosophy is bad, and prove to us that you are an intelligent, god-fearing man who would know.

Exactly. If the interenet IQ test was just for fun, why'd you mention it in connection with your intelligence. By the way, even if it says it's the real thing, it's not. It's on the internet for goodness sake, have you ever taken a real IQ test with someone sitting there?