Are religion and philosophy mutually exclusive?

[muichimotsu]

Also a bit televangelist scary, but I wouldn't doubt he is. There is still the fact that he's doubting his own potential power, which seems a big issue to me.

 

[Bishka]

This person is the most intellectual Christian I know. www.JackVanImpe.com

Looks like, to me, he's one of those, the-end-of-the-world-is-coming-tomorrow type.

 

[Bishka]

Einstien and Faith

http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/einstein/

Ok, how about this, can you give me a website that is not compltley focused on the spiritual?

 

[FFH]

Ok, how about this, can you give me a website that is not compltley focused on the spiritual?

I like this site. Religion meets science www.creationists.org

 

[Bishka]

I like this site. Religion meets science www.creationists.org

Still don't buy it, no offense, but this is another site that is more focused on how evolution is wrong. I want something from sciences point of view about Albert Einstein.

 

[FFH]

Einstein's writings on various subjects. www.einsteinandreligion.com

 

[SoyLeche]

This person is the most intellectual Christian I know. www.JackVanImpe.com

And his wife is named Rexella and has big hair (although not as big as some of the others). I don't know what that has to do with anything, but I thought I'd bring it up.

 

[mr.guy]

Jack Van Impe is great! i try to catch it every sunday. The funny part is the "news" section of the show, where they hold up news clippings, read the headlines and...well, that's it. It's just a funny show. I mean really funny. This thread is funny. Thanks, ffh.

 

[Aqualung]

Why do you think the Church puts such emphasis on getting an education (at a college and all) if they thought education hurts people?

 

[FFH]

Why do you think the Church puts such emphasis on getting an education (at a college and all) if they thought education hurts people?

Education, of course, is good, as long as you can get around the philosophy courses. Taking philosophy is a waste of money and a waste of time. We should not be required to take these courses. It is an afront to Christianity and makes a fool out of faith.

 

[SoyLeche]

Education, of course, is good, as long as you can get around the philosophy courses. Taking philosophy is a waste of money and a waste of time. We should not be required to take these course. It is an afront to Christianity and makes a fool out of faith.

Now are you going to tell us that the girl that rejected your invitation to go to Prom is evil too?

It is apparent that you don't like philosophy. Since you have also said that you could only get through half of your philosophy class, and then decided to quit school altogheter, I'm going to read between the lines here. You struggled with the class, and weren't doing well (probably in more classes than this, but you have decided for some reason that this one was the culprit). So, you quit school. That's all right. A lot of people aren't the type for college. Get over it and move on. It wasn't philosophy's fault

[disclaimer] I know nothing about psycology, so go ahead and ignore this if you like. [/disclaimer]

 

[FFH]

Jack Van Impe is great! i try to catch it every sunday. The funny part is the "news" section of the show, where they hold up news clippings, read the headlines and...well, that's it. It's just a funny show. I mean really funny. This thread is funny. Thanks, ffh.

I have been watching Jack Van Impe for about 7 or 8 years. He has commited to memory hundreds of scriptures. He can rattle off scriptures left and right. A program would not be on the air as long as his if he was not saying or doing something right. He started off in radio years before then moved to television. I agree he is funny and his wife is funny too. They look and sound so sincere. The "Van Imp man" is the best.

He sticks with the scriptures and backs up everything he says with scriptures. No muddy theories of man on that program. Even the news of the day can be understood by looking at certain scriptures.

You think i'm funny. Did you check out his web site? He is talking about animals being "raptured" (a term many Christians use for the "catching away" of the saints) Most people will laugh at that, but it can be backed up with scripture. Check it out , animal rapture, catching away or resurrection at the time of the second coming of Christ. www.JackVanImpe.com

 

[FFH]

Now are you going to tell us that the girl that rejected your invitation to go to Prom is evil too?

It is apparent that you don't like philosophy. Since you have also said that you could only get through half of your philosophy class, and then decided to quit school altogheter, I'm going to read between the lines here. You struggled with the class, and weren't doing well (probably in more classes than this, but you have decided for some reason that this one was the culprit). So, you quit school. That's all right. A lot of people aren't the type for college. Get over it and move on. It wasn't philosophy's fault

[disclaimer] I know nothing about psycology, so go ahead and ignore this if you like. [/disclaimer]

You are wrong. I payed my own tuition along the way. I had a 3.5 grade point average in High School and was accepted to BYU and the U of U. I scored in the top 7 % of all students in the United States in the English category of the S.A.T. I went to Japan on a mission for two years and did fine. I am definitely not lacking in the intelligence department.

Philosophy was offensive to my spirit. I thought it was more important to study the scriptures and focus on that, and my personal well being, than it was to continue on with college. I made the right choice, for me. If everyone went to college their would be no one willing to haul away your trash. College is not for everyone. College is not evil, but some of the courses offered at colleges are a complete waste of time and money.

I took a nominal paying job and worked my way up to manager and had the opportunity to become a part owner of a local company. I did fine without college. I am 39 now and am semi-retired. Who do you think made out better. Me or my college classmate? He may be fine and could be a well respected doctor or lawyer. We need these people. I am not knocking college. I am upset at the philosophy classes that are being taught there. They are teaching lies in exchange for money. I refused to pay to hear someone lie to me.

 

[pdoel]

Jesus obstained from all sexual activities in any form. He is our perfect example. He remained unmarried to show a perfect example to those that may never marry. His example was, obstain from any, and all kinds of sexual acitivity in any form, even if you are married or have a spouse that is unwilling or unable to have sex.

To be honest, I have no idea if Jesus was married, whether he masturbated, or what he did throughout his life. I do know that I would not make such assumptions based on events that occurred thousands of years ago. Even with the best records, information has a strange way of evolving throughout the generations.

But, as far as your comments that Jesus is a perfect example for us, because he never married or had sex. What about where God tells us "Be fruitful and multiply". If that's God's will for us, then wouldn't Jesus be wrong for not doing so?

In any scripture I ever read, Jesus never tried to portray himself to be perfect. In fact, I think he was much too humble to act perfect or state he was perfect. I think Jesus had just as many struggles as anyone. I would bet that there were times he fell. He's still an incredible example for us all, but he was human, and I think that's the message he would like us to hear. What would Jesus do? Today, I think he'd teach tolerance. I don't think he'd want us all pointing fingers at each other, telling each other how we think we're sinning. I think he'd want us to "love our neighbor as our brother", "do unto others . . . ".

I think Jesus would teach tolerance today.

 

[FFH]

I started taking the required courses to obtain my goal of either an accounting or an engineering degree, economics, psycology, philosophy, mathematics, english, Japanese as an elective, etc. It was the philosophy class that was offensive to my spirit. I left college disappointed. The philosophy class derailed my goal to be an accountant or an engineer.

 

[john63]

I meant we can assume that Jesus was not married because there is no record of him getting married. I think you might have taken that the wrong way. The scriptures do not say that Jesus was married, but there are many that say that Jesus was married, even though the scriptures never mention this. The scriptures would have a record of this if it were true. Jesus obstained from all sexual activities in any form. He is our perfect example. He remained unmarried to show a perfect example to those that may never marry. His example was, obstain from any, and all kinds of sexual acitivity, in any form, if you are single or have a spouse that is unwilling or unable to have sex.

3 Nephi 12: 30

"For it is better that ye should deny yourselves of these things, wherin ye will take up your cross, than that ye should be cast into hell."

It is better that we should deny ourselves of these things. It is clear that masturbation is a sin.

That would be all well and fine if all of us believed the Book of Mormon. I'm pretty sure the Satanic Bible mentions sins of the flesh, but do you believe what it has to say? My guess is no.

 

[SoyLeche]

I started taking the required courses to obtain my goal of either an accounting or an engineering degree, economics, psycology, philosophy, mathematics, english, Japanese as an elective, etc. It was the philosophy class that was offensive to my spirit. I left college disappointed. The philosophy class derailed my goal to be an accountant or engineer.

No, you derailed your goal, and have since convinced yourself that philosophy is evil. All of us with degrees have sat through classes that we found boring/useless/etc, but we stuck to it. I didn't mean to insult your intelligence. My brother couldn't do the college thing either, and he is very intelligent, and is on his way to being very successful.

BTW - your TA's crack problem had absolutely nothing to do with philosophy. It had to do with crack. There are enough philosophy majors who aren't on crack to debunk that theory before it even starts.

 

[FFH]

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But, as far as your comments that Jesus is a perfect example for us, because he never married or had sex. What about where God tells us "Be fruitful and multiply". If that's God's will for us, then wouldn't Jesus be wrong for not doing so?

In any scripture I ever read, Jesus never tried to portray himself to be perfect. In fact, I think he was much too humble to act perfect or state he was perfect. I think Jesus had just as many struggles as anyone. I would bet that there were times he fell. He's still an incredible example for us all, but he was human, and I think that's the message he would like us to hear. What would Jesus do? Today, I think he'd teach tolerance. I don't think he'd want us all pointing fingers at each other, telling each other how we think we're sinning. I think he'd want us to "love our neighbor as our brother", "do unto others . . . ".

I think Jesus would teach tolerance today.

Jesus did not say that we should not get married. He had to be accepted as an unspotted lamb. In order to be represented as the lamb of God, he could not be married. Think of a lamb. A lamb is a young sheep, especially one that is not weaned. A lamb is a baby sheep that may still be sucking milk from it's mother for nourishment. A lamb would have never copulated with another lamb. The drive and the sexual organs of a lamb would not have been developed enough to even make that possible.

Jesus Christ was the "lamb that was slain" "from the foundation of the world". He had to be a lamb that had no blemish or spot. He had to be represented as a lamb in every respect. Jesus Christ had to have no blemish or spot, which was represented by having no sin. He had to be a lamb, which was represented by being young and unmarried.

 

[Bishka]

Jesus did not say that we should not get married. He had to be accepted as an unspotted lamb. In order to be represented as the lamb of God, he could not be married. Think of a lamb. A lamb is a young sheep, especially one that is not weaned. A lamb is a baby sheep that may still be sucking milk from it's mother for nourishment. A lamb would have never copulated with another lamb. The drive and the sexual organs of a lamb would not have been developed enough to even make that possible.

Jesus Christ was the "lamb that was slain" "from the foundation of the world". He had to be a lamb that had no blemish or spot. He had to be represented as a lamb in every respect. Jesus Christ had to have not blemish or spot, which was represented by having no sin. He had to be a lamb, which was represented by being young and unmarried.

Go to the thread of Jesus and Marriage in LDS if you want to debate this. By the way, FFH, no one believes you. If you are just here trying to convert people to your way of thinking, it hasn't worked.

 

[pandamonk]

Jesus did not say that we should not get married. He had to be accepted as an unspotted lamb. In order to be represented as the lamb of God, he could not be married. Think of a lamb. A lamb is a young sheep, especially one that is not weaned. A lamb is a baby sheep that may still be sucking milk from it's mother for nourishment. A lamb would have never copulated with another lamb. The drive and the sexual organs of a lamb would not have been developed enough to even make that possible.

Jesus Christ was the "lamb that was slain" "from the foundation of the world". He had to be a lamb that had no blemish or spot. He had to be represented as a lamb in every respect. Jesus Christ had to have no blemish or spot, which was represented by having no sin. He had to be a lamb, which was represented by being young and unmarried.

Bad FFH, this is a philosophical argument. So are you saying that what you just said does not need to be accepted as true as it is conveyed in a philosophical nature?