Are religion and philosophy mutually exclusive?

[SoyLeche]

That's fine but we are talking about philosophy.

Logic is taught by the philosophy department of just about every school in the world.

Anyway, the point isn't so that you'll give up your unwarented love of ignorance, but so that you can start pointing out your own fallacies.

 

[FFH]

So you just distrust men, I see?

Yes, we are commanded not to trust in the arm of flesh.

Jeremiah 17: 5

"Thus saith the Lord, Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord."

 

[FFH]

Logic is taught by the philosophy department of just about every school in the world.

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I understand that logic is a part of philosophy. Part of the truth that is mixed with the lies of the philosophies of men.

 

[FFH]

Logic also denies faith. We cannot explain certain things with logic. There is a supernatural realm that defies logic and reason and our knowledge of science.

 

[mr.guy]

This is the whole problem with philosophy. It is so juvenile. This statement "Just because you say it's a lie doesn't make it so." This is an attempt of philosophers to discredit faith.

You're right, it is juvenile. As in "even a child could understand".
Yet I'm seriously at a loss as to whether to offended or amused. Given that you've yet to give any specific problems of philosophy outside of insane characterizations of coke sniffing, kitty cat licking, cess-pool swimming teachers (who've obviously frustrated your life's plan by the whim of the devil), i wonder if you'll come out with anything else more convincing then "philosophy's bad, uhhmkay?

Truth is eternal. It has no end and no beginning. It cannot be created or destroyed. If I say something is a lie and it is, then it is.

Ya see, you're just making arbritrary statements for no reason then you find them "intuitive". If i then say that this is a lie, is it then? Or are you the only one with that power? Or is automatically the truth because i always lie? Or am i mincing truth into it to convince yet it....etc.

It must be taken on faith and backed up by scriptures, which is the word of God which is truth.

Need you not at this point some scripture to validate how evil philosophers are?

Philosophy is the attempt of man to prove or disprove somethong. It may have had legitimate beginnings but has turned into something that discredits faith and makes those that believe in God look foolish.

When did this happen, this "change" that made all thinking men hellbent on discrediting faith?

I believe in many things that cannot be proved, like demons. This does not mean that they do not exist. If you cannot prove that they do not exist, then nothing has been accomplshed. Philosophy does not prove or disproce anything more than what we already know or belive to be true.

I have to ask: how do you deal with pink unicorns?

 

[Bishka]

Oh, something to add to this. Jesus never asked us to do something without doing it first, right? He asked us to get baptized, so he did, so wouldn't it make sense if He asks us to get married, He would, and marriage is not all about sex FFH.

 

[FFH]

Colassians 2: 8

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

Philosophy is the way of the world
Faith is the way of Christ and his eternal world

 

[mr.guy]

I see....so everything that ain't jesus is bad, right?

 

[FFH]

Why not fly to the heights of heaven of faith in Christ?

Why swim in the muddy pool of the philosophies of men?

 

[mr.guy]

Why live my life with "too much heaven on my mind" (is JC superstar too tacky here?)
If ideas are too complicated or "muddy" for you to handle, why equate it as "wastful" for the rest of us?

 

[Sunstone]

FFH, have you actually studied philosophy? You give no specific examples to back up your claims that philosophy is lies, etc. Why is that?

 

[FFH]

Deuteronomy 11: 26

"Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse"

Two things are set before you.

Blessing - scriptures of God
Curse - philosophies of men

 

[muichimotsu]

very good thought. It's all perspective here, whether you think so or not, doesn't it make sense even a bit?

 

[Sunstone]

There has always been a strain of anti-intellectualism in Christianity. You seem to be working well within that tradition, FFH.

 

[Bishka]

Deuteronomy 11: 26

"Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse"

Two things are set before you.

Blessing - scriptures of God
Curse - philosophies of men

And how are you so sure that this is the case? Curse could be just about anything, obiviously your interpretation of the scriptures is MUCH different then everybody elses.

 

[mr.guy]

Deuteronomy 11: 26

"Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse"

Two things are set before you.

Blessing - scriptures of God
Curse - philosophies of men

You're funny.

 

[FFH]

There has always been a strain of anti-intellectualism in Christianity. You seem to be working well within that tradition, FFH.

2 Timothy 3: 7

"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

You rely on the faculties of your mind and the philosophies of men. I rely on my faith in Christ and the study of the scriptures of God.

Albert Einstien studied the Old testament in Hebrew. He said that is where he discovered the "Theory of Relativity". He said that the laws of the universe are encoded within the pages of the Hebrew text of the Old Testament.

www.BibleCode.com

 

[Bishka]

2 Timothy 3: 7

"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

You rely on the faculties of your mind and the philosophies of men. I rely on my faith in Christ and the study of the scriptures of God.

Albert Einstien studied the Old testament in Hebrew. He said that is where he discovered the "Theory of Relativity". He said that the laws of the universe are encoded within the pages of the Hebrew text of the Old Testament.

www.BibleCode.com

Hwo about another site. This site doesn't give any major references or anything that I would recognize.

 

[FFH]

Einstien and Faith

http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/einstein/

 

[FFH]

This person is the most intellectual Christian I know. www.JackVanImpe.com