Are These Grounds for Legalizing Pedophilia?

[nilsz]

If the question is, "Does X make child sexual abuse ok?", then the answer is no.

 

[Me Myself]

It depends on what you define as pedophilia.

IN the US, the age of consent is 18, I believe?

In the UK it's 16.

In Spain it's 13.

Europe in general fluctuates between 14-17.

In Japan and Columbia it's 12 (I believe).

You are confused, you are talking about the legal term.

The psychological term is used only with thise that have not yet reached puberty. (Without importance of their age, actually)

 

[Me Myself]

I was thinking the same thing, but call me naive. I mean, a woman with a girl like figure can't possibly have anything else going for her, right?

I find all males sexually repulsive, and I love more than one of them, think they are outstanding people without which my life would be way less rich.

I wouldnt say none of them have "nothing going on for them" simply because they wouldnt cause me an erection, and I am sure your standards for valuying people are higher than that, so...

Well, your comment puzzles me.

 

[Me Myself]

I thought pedophiles where attracted to children, not merely child-like appearence, so I wouldnt say "that kind of man" is attracted by what would attract a pedophile. Could be wrong, though.

And I think I could be attracted to such a woman. Maybe not because of her body, but if she is smart and funny and compassionate I somehow doubt that would be a problem.

I cant answer about the first one.

Most of us have different standards appeareance, but have some.

Surely some bisexuals will say they have no standards on appeareance (my bisexual male friend would not at all say that xD) but at least I d say all heterosexual and homosexual people will have SOME standard.

Of course, having no standards on that regard is not at all a bad thing, actually, it sounds quite liberating. Way more oeople with which you can have and enjoy sex with.

 

[Reverend Rick]

No kidding. We're all gonna end up looking like Steve Buscemi in the end, so we'd better learn to find something other than physical appearance sexually attractive, or old age is gonna be a long and frustrating time.

I have to disagree with you. Of course you don't have a penis so you might not understand. This organ has a mind of it's own independant of your mental thoughts of adornment.

Why do you think older men seek younger mates? Because their little head requires it to get a 110% woody. You can love a woman your entire life and perhaps turn the light off and go down memory lane, but the cold hard facts are one day a man ends up with a flat tire. Now before anyone gets ready to debate this, there are no absolutes.

Bottom line, really old men don't give a rats butt about sex. Of course there are men in their 90's that still do however. Most of them have a wife that does not like to have post-menopausal sex. We always want what we can't have many times.

30 years ago sex was my number one priority. Not so much any more although I still can get my head turned at any given moment.

My old age will not be long nor frustrating if I never have sex again. :slap:

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I have to disagree with you. Of course you don't have a penis so you might not understand. This organ has a mind of it's own independant of your mental thoughts of adornment.

Why do you think older men seek younger mates? Because their little head requires it to get a 110% woody. You can love a woman your entire life and perhaps turn the light off and go down memory lane, but the cold hard facts are one day a man ends up with a flat tire. Now before anyone gets ready to debate this, there are no absolutes.

Bottom line, really old men don't give a rats butt about sex. Of course there are men in their 90's that still do however. Most of them have a wife that does not like to have post-menopausal sex. We always want what we can't have many times.

30 years ago sex was my number one priority. Not so much any more although I still can get my head turned at any given moment.

My old age will not be long nor frustrating if I never have sex again. :slap:

A lot of those older men can't even get it up without medication. So if you want to talk about "flat tires", let's not go there. Plus, many older women are hornier than ever. Many of them chase after younger men ("cougars").

 

[Alceste]

I have to disagree with you. Of course you don't have a penis so you might not understand. This organ has a mind of it's own independant of your mental thoughts of adornment.

Why do you think older men seek younger mates? Because their little head requires it to get a 110% woody. You can love a woman your entire life and perhaps turn the light off and go down memory lane, but the cold hard facts are one day a man ends up with a flat tire. Now before anyone gets ready to debate this, there are no absolutes.

Bottom line, really old men don't give a rats butt about sex. Of course there are men in their 90's that still do however. Most of them have a wife that does not like to have post-menopausal sex. We always want what we can't have many times.

30 years ago sex was my number one priority. Not so much any more although I still can get my head turned at any given moment.

My old age will not be long nor frustrating if I never have sex again. :slap:

Sure, old men get their heads turned by young women. Likewise, old women get their head turned by young men. My elderly neighbour was positively shameless when it came to flirting with my studly husband. Heck, even my 94 year old grandma used to pinch his butt with her prosthetic grabber.

But unless you're a millionaire and prefer stupid women with no aspirations beyond a comfortable life filing their nails beside a swimming pool, there's no way in hell any hot young thing is going to get with you. They have a whole world full of people just as young and hot as they are to choose from.

Luckily for humanity, your penis will still work just fine with your wife when her boobs start to droop - unless it's not going to work anywhere, in which case there are pills for that.

The penis is a bundle of nerves. I've never had any issues getting one to work pretty much exactly as advertised. Now the clitoris, on the other hand - that is one complicated beast! Fear of the mysteries of the clitoris is probably the only reason I'm not a lesbian.

 

[Father Heathen]

You still can't break that nasty habit of twisting words I see.

Well I certainly think it's icky. Likewise people who at into poop, necrophilia, bestiality or choking. But just to nitpick, they're not into "abusing" children, they're into consensual, mutually rewarding sexual relationships with sexually curious children.

but children cannot legitimately consent, so it is about abuse and exploitation.

The majority of pedophiles, who know realizing their fantasies is impossible, do nothing but daydream about it. Icky, yeah. Evil? I've got bigger fish to fry.

I said some fetishes/fantasies are likely indicative of a mental disorder/illness. I'm speaking about psychology and mental health, so I don't understand why your responses to my posts brought up taste and morality.

 

[Reverend Rick]

A lot of those older men can't even get it up without medication. So if you want to talk about "flat tires", let's not go there. Plus, many older women are hornier than ever. Many of them chase after younger men ("cougars").

I understand Cougars, but you don't see any 70 year ones. :no: Not getting anywhere with 20 somethings any way.

Alot of postmenopausal women have no interest in sex while others do. There is no set rule, it is about your brain not your body.

Surely your not saying senior citizens are more interested in sex than 20-30 somethings?

 

[Alceste]

You still can't break that nasty habit of twisting words I see.

but children cannot legitimately consent, so it is about abuse and exploitation.



I said some fetishes/fantasies are likely indicative of a mental disorder/illness. I'm speaking about psychology and mental health, so I don't understand why your responses to my posts brought up taste and morality.

You're picking one icky fetish out of an infinite number of icky fetishes and saying this particular fetish is indicative of a serious mental illness while the others are not. Why do all the others get a pass?

Rape is one of the most common sexual fantasies around, for both men AND women, and yet it is impossible to fulfill them without committing a felony and irreparable social harm. Somehow people make do. Are they "mentally ill", in your opinion?

Consistency. That's the foundation of solid ethical reasoning. The same moral rules of moral judgment must apply in every hypothetical case, or your logic is faulty.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I understand Cougars, but you don't see any 70 year ones. :no: Not getting anywhere with 20 somethings any way.

Sure there are. They get 20 somethings in bed the same way that elderly men do with people that age - money and lots of it. Shoot, Tina Turner wouldn't have to pay me that much to get me to be her sex slave. She can be my granny any day.

Alot of postmenopausal women have no interest in sex while others do. There is no set rule, it is about your brain not your body.

I know that.

Surely your not saying senior citizens are more interested in sex than 20-30 somethings?

Not necessarily.

 

[Father Heathen]

True........ so...... reasonably......what is the age of consent?

Members have answered 'depends on the person and their development', but that doesn't help the legislator.

So..... what would be the age? Oh, and if you decide at any age under 18yrs then you are talking about a 'child', ie, a minor.

Minors in the UK can give consent to sex, as long as they are 16yrs.

We can clearly rule out prepubescent, right?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The penis is a bundle of nerves. I've never had any issues getting one to work pretty much exactly as advertised. Now the clitoris, on the other hand - that is one complicated beast! Fear of the mysteries of the clitoris is probably the only reason I'm not a lesbian.

Clitorises are just bundles of nerves, as well. I don't see what's so mysterious about them.

 

[Reverend Rick]

There are always exceptions.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Clitorises are kinda like miniature penises is some ways. But if the clitoris is not engorged, penetration is not abated. leave it to say, I have always been a silver tongued devil.

 

[Father Heathen]

You're picking one icky fetish out of an infinite number of icky fetishes and saying this particular fetish is indicative of a serious mental illness while the others are not. Why do all the others get a pass?

You keep using the word "icky" while I'm discussing mental health, so I suspect that you're struggling to grasp the subject. Are you seriously asking why finding the thought of hurting people, especially children, to be sexually gratifying is worse then something benign like a foot fetish? Seriously?

Rape is one of the most common sexual fantasies around, for both men AND women, and yet it is impossible to fulfill them without committing a felony and irreparable social harm. Somehow people make do. Are they "mentally ill", in your opinion?

I wouldn't go far as to say "mentally ill", but I wouldn't consider it to be particularly healthy to be aroused by the idea brutalizing someone, and in fact suspect that it's likely indicative of some issues.

Consistency. That's the foundation of solid ethical reasoning. The same moral rules of moral judgment must apply in every hypothetical case, or your logic is faulty.

Ethics are about actions and interactions, and we're talking about thoughts and fantasies within the private recesses of people's minds, are we not?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Clitorises are kinda like miniature penises is some ways. But if the clitoris is not engorged, penetration is not abated. leave it to say, I have always been a silver tongued devil.

They are analogous to each other. Penises are really just overgrown clitorises.

 

[Father Heathen]

At what point would you see someone's attractions, desires, fetishes and fantasies as becoming something society should act on?

When they behave in a way that suggests they'll possibly act upon them as to victimize others. I don't advocate some sort of "thought police" or censorship of speech. I'm just saying some fetishes are harmless while others are unhealthy and indicative of mental/emotional issues. For example, some people get off on cutting themselves, but any mental health professional will tell you that it's a sign/result of a disorder, such as depression, anxiety, etc.

 

[Alceste]

Clitorises are just bundles of nerves, as well. I don't see what's so mysterious about them.

Well, let's just say they do not appear to be as forgiving as penises.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, let's just say they do not appear to be as forgiving as penises.

You've lost me.