Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
God does not punish us the way people punish us for not conforming to their views.
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Are u going to leave USA now?
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God does not punish us the way people punish us for not conforming to their views.
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
Really? So damning most of humanity to life in an apocalyptic world whilst ≈144,000 "chosen" people reside in a special Heaven isn't has punishing as gays being allowed to marry?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
that is not quite what the bible says matey
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
That's what members of your organization have been preaching to me and others.
Tell me then, what happens?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
1. I read the article, which, I must say, was very interesting. But, when it comes to identifying the cities as the ones mentioned in the Bible, even the archaeologists themselves aren't 100% confident. They made an inference that, if the cities ever did exist, they were most likely the ones that they found. That being said, I never disagreed that the cities were found, I merely pointed out that there is absolutely no evidence that God destroyed them, apart from a claim made through a story in a book written thousands of years ago at a time when myth was HUGE. You are using your confirmation bias, that the Bible is accurate and can be used as historical evidence for certain events, in conjunction with these archaeological finds to assume that God destroyed these cities. I do not think that is a reasonable "jump" in logic.
2. Also, I read the actual transcript from the Obama interview, and he never asked that people change their views on their own. He said that it was the responsibility of the LGBT community to help change peoples minds/beliefs on the issue. I don't see anything wrong with that, and I wholeheartedly agree that people should attempt to open their minds on this issue, from both sides. Don't believe everything you hear about Obama, as the conservatives often put words in his mouth, assume that they know what is going on inside his head, and say things that just are flat out lies. Remember when Trump made the "birther" argument? Or when people actually believed that Obama was not Christian, but, instead, Muslim, and was lying to everyone about it? Now, I am not the biggest Obama fan in the world, but I have seen a lot of people become dishonest when it comes to discussing his views.
Here is an excerpt that should put your mind at least a bit more at rest (Obama Transcript: Statement on Same-Sex Marriage Supreme Court Ruling - POTUS Operandi
"I know that Americans of good will continue to hold a wide range of views on this issue. Opposition, in some cases, has been based on sincere and deeply held beliefs. All of us who welcome today’s news should be mindful of that fact and recognize different viewpoints, revere our deep commitment to religious freedom.
But today should also give us hope that on the many issues with which we grapple, often painfully, real change is possible. Shift in hearts and minds is possible. And those who have come so far on their journey to equality have a responsibility to reach back and help others join them, because for all of our differences, we are one people, stronger together than we could ever be alone. That’s always been our story."
How do people punish you for not conforming to their views?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I beleive I am beginning to like the idea of a red state secession. We could keep the Bill of Rights and actually interpret it correctly as opposed to the way the stupid justices interpet it.
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Um.... hello... the 14th Amendment, which the justices used in their decision is not part of the Bill of Rights.
Seems there's a lot of people who either failed or slept through Civics and Social Studies and forgot what happened the last time states tried to secede from the Union.
I like to think of the amendments as additions to the Bill Of Rights.
But then....I slept thru civics class.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe my civics class was over 50 years ago, so I will defer to your amendment.
I believe we should have let them go and allow them to be unrighteous. The North won because it held the righteous postion and God favors the righteous. In this case the South (and Midwest) hold the righteous postition. Nothing divides people better than religion except maybe language.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That wasn't a part of the speech.
"But today should also give us hope that on the many issues with which we grapple often painfully real change is possible,” he added. The implication was clear: Those who disagree with the idea of gay marriage based, for example, on their religious views, must change to be more like progressives who accept gay marriage.
The part you quoted is not in quotation marks, meaning it is not a direct quotation from Obama. Obama did say the words from "But today should also give us hope that...change is possible," but he did not say what you are quoting him as saying
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe he can hope but I would rather fight than switch.
Why do you think the US has anything to do with God, or that the US is based on the bible and God's wishes, or that those of us who do not believe in that God should be bound by what you believe? Can you give me the source?
The Pilgrims did indeed want to establish a Protestant Bible-based countries. In the south, the ones that came were interested in business and commerce.
But when the US was created as a nation, it had moved from the Pilgrim origin into a very deist position as shown by the Jefferson Bible amongst other things.
And even in Christianity, how people interpret the Bible varies so wildly as to be as different as a rock and a tree.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
What about Muslims?
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Not only did they not rape the angels - no homosexuals tried to rape anyone.
That is a misreading of the text.
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
1. There is no proof that these cities are Sodom and Gomorrah.
2. Their destruction has been dated to before the Hebrew.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Nobody ever said you have to.