Are you a liar?

[F1fan]

How don you know? You say they were like teenagers yet named all the animals, took care of the garden. Don’t think you thought that through.

If God is perfect and created A&E to be obedient, why weren't they? Are you saying God couldn't create people who knew how to follow the rules?

Are you like they are, not understanding the consequences of your actions, especially rejecting God?

What God am I rejecting? The one you claim exists but can't demonstrate exists outside of your imagination?

Why would I assume your God exists enough to reject it? You offer no evidence.

And what consequences? The ones that believers like yourself use to threaten non-believers? Im not convinced. Provide evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible supports itself, it’s you who need the proper teacher. The Holy Spirit.

Really? Then why are there so many liars for Jesus? I have demonstrated in the past, and I just demonstrated again that I understand the Bible better than you do.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Really? Then why are there so many liars for Jesus? I have demonstrated in the past, and I just demonstrated again that I understand the Bible better than you do.

Obviously not, the Scriptures interpret scripture so you only give your opinion and read into it things that aren’t there. It’s called misinterpretation on your part.

 

[ElishaElijah]

If God is perfect and created A&E to be obedient, why weren't they? Are you saying God couldn't create people who knew how to follow the rules?


What God am I rejecting? The one you claim exists but can't demonstrate exists outside of your imagination?

Why would I assume your God exists enough to reject it? You offer no evidence.

And what consequences? The ones that believers like yourself use to threaten non-believers? Im not convinced. Provide evidence.

We are talking about the Bible so if you don’t believe it’s the Word of God or don’t believe God exists why are you on this thread?

 

[ElishaElijah]

And what consequences? The ones that believers like yourself use to threaten non-believers? Im not convinced. Provide evidence.

God said what the consequences are so I don’t need to threaten anyone, where do you get those ideas? Do you understand the consequences of your actions and words?

 

[F1fan]

The Bible supports itself, it’s you who need the proper teacher. The Holy Spirit.

Then why are so many disagreements about interpretation? There are at least four different form believers who disagree with each other. So who is correct? Why is the Holy Spirit not helping three of them?

So you made the claim about, how does a b believer know when they have the HS on their side or not? Three believers aren't sure. So offer them advice.

Or perhaps your claim about a HS isn't true. How would you know?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Then why are so many disagreements about interpretation? There are at least four different form believers who disagree with each other. So who is correct? Why is the Holy Spirit not helping three of them?

So you made the claim about, how does a b believer know when they have the HS on their side or not? Three believers aren't sure. So offer them advice.

Or perhaps your claim about a HS isn't true. How would you know?

You would have to say what disagreement but God isn’t divided, He is the interpreter, The Holy Spirit lives in a believer, leads into all truth, teaches the believer.

 

[F1fan]

We are talking about the Bible so if you don’t believe it’s the Word of God or don’t believe God exists why are you on this thread?

Because I have serious doubts about your religion, and you believes can't demonstrate that your beliefs are true. Why is that? Do you like being shown how you can't answer hard questions with any facts or objective reasoning?

I just pointed out how you believers don't agree with each other. How does that feel that non-believers see this disagreement among you fervent believers, and each of you try to tell us you have the Truth?

 

[F1fan]

You would have to say what disagreement but God isn’t divided, He is the interpreter, The Holy Spirit lives in a believer, leads into all truth, teaches the believer.

Too bad you believers are so unsure. So many of you disagree. And we observe this, and we can see you are confused. And you want to convince us you have the Truth?

This is why we don't believe.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Because I have serious doubts about your religion, and you believes can't demonstrate that your beliefs are true. Why is that? Do you like being shown how you can't answer hard questions with any facts or objective reasoning?

I just pointed out how you believers don't agree with each other. How does that feel that non-believers see this disagreement among you fervent believers, and each of you try to tell us you have the Truth?

The Bible is the Truth so all believers agree that it’s God’s Word. I don’t take or feel anything either way about what you say or think in that respect.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Too bad you believers are so unsure. So many of you disagree. And we observe this, and we can see you are confused. And you want to convince us you have the Truth?

This is why we don't believe.

Really? That’s why you don’t believe?

 

[F1fan]

Why would l agree? Your philosophy of life is based on subjectivism.

False. My approach is based on facts and coherent thinking. You believers can't provide either.

You're asking me to choose between you and God! Is that a choice?

I never asked any such thing. Given what psychology has revealed about religious belief I doubt you ever made a choice to believe. You were likely taught to believe in a God in your childhood,a time when your brain was fully developed to think objectively. By the time you reached adulthood it was too far ingrained in your assumption to honestly have doubts.

Can you not see that Adam's sin was like yours. He thought he knew better than God!

No he didn't. Adam was naive and unaware of what would happen if he disobeyed, just like a child. Adults have the experience to know to follow rules.

And sin only applies to believers. As a concept it has no meaning or power to non-believers.

Subjective love is self-love. Objective love is true righteousness.

This sounds like New Age nonsense. I'll bet you have no clue what you re trying to say here. A bluff to sound enlightened and wise?

Let me ask you this, if you were Adam would you have obeyed God?

 

[F1fan]

The Bible is the Truth so all believers agree that it’s God’s Word.

Yet you believers can't agree on what the Truth means.

I don’t take or feel anything either way about what you say or think in that respect.

So you are insensitive to the disagreements among your Christians?

If you were created by God in the Garden in Adam's place, would you have been obedient?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yet you believers can't agree on what the Truth means.


So you are insensitive to the disagreements among your Christians?

If you were created by God in the Garden in Adam's place, would you have been obedient?

I’m not insensitive, you’d have to know and understand Scripture to understand like Ephesians 4, on how I deal with that. One thing is it has nothing to do with me trusting God or when I got saved. None of what you’re saying had anything to do with that, it was between God and I.

 

[F1fan]

I’m not insensitive, you’d have to know and understand Scripture to understand like Ephesians 4, on how I deal with that.

Do you think you understand it? If so, how do you know? Your fellow Christians disagree on so much, perhaps you're wrong. Do you even subject yourself to doubt, or do you decide you are correct and move on?

One thing is it has nothing to do with me trusting God or when I got saved. None of what you’re saying had anything to do with that, it was between God and I.

Tell us about what was between you and God. Explain this process. What form did God take when you had to sort things out? Could it all have been imagined?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Obviously not, the Scriptures interpret scripture so you only give your opinion and read into it things that aren’t there. It’s called misinterpretation on your part.

Nope, that is pure nonsense. An excuse that people use to get the scriptures to say what they want them to say rather than what they actually say.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Nope, that is pure nonsense. An excuse that people use to get the scriptures to say what they want them to say rather than what they actually say.

See how you are…Scripture says Eve was deceived and you said what?
“But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”
‭‭II Corinthians‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[ElishaElijah]

Do you think you understand it? If so, how do you know? Your fellow Christians disagree on so much, perhaps you're wrong. Do you even subject yourself to doubt, or do you decide you are correct and move on?


Tell us about what was between you and God. Explain this process. What form did God take when you had to sort things out? Could it all have been imagined?

If I thought your questions were sincere I’d answer

 

[Subduction Zone]

See how you are…Scripture says Eve was deceived and you said what?
“But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”
‭‭II Corinthians‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So what? You forgot that it is a myth to begin with. The person that wrote that probably did not know it was a myth and had to justify God's evil behavior.

Once again, if you want to show that the Serpent lied you can't quote Paul. He only stated that. He could not justify that claim either.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So what? You forgot that it is a myth to begin with. The person that wrote that probably did not know it was a myth and had to justify God's evil behavior.

Once again, if you want to show that the Serpent lied you can't quote Paul. He only stated that. He could not justify that claim either.

I can and did quote what Paul wrote, He got that from God. What you fail to understand is that Jesus said it’s better that He went away because then the Helper would come, He would lead and guide us into all Truth. Even by what God said in Genesis after Eve was deceived lines up with that.
It’s Scripture and Eve was deceived.
Probably better for you to stick to your Superman comic books.