Are you a liar?

[Redemptionsong]

One absolute divine essence that can manifest in multifarious outwardly different forms according to the inclinations of the worshipper.

If a worshipper only knows one or two deities, how can he possibly know that there is only one essence?

What is the 'essence' of the multifarious forms?

 

[Redemptionsong]

All of your "faithful" will die (Jeremiah 31:30). We are now at the "end of the age", wherefore the angels are coming to "gather out" the tares (Mt 13:30), who have been under protection for the last 2000 years (Mt 13:28-29). These tares, "those who commit lawlessness" will be gathered and thrown into the furnace of fire (Mt 13:41-42). They have accepted the message, tare seed, of the devil (Mt 13:39), under the illusionary gospel of the cross/grace, which says that the law has been nailed to a cross, and now they think they have a covenant with death (Isaiah 28:18), and will not die. According to Isaiah 28:18, "your pact with Sheol shall not stand". Man has written their own laws and think they will prevail over the laws of God. That is highly unlikely. Maybe you should take the first step in becoming perfect, which is to keep the Commandments, sell all of your worldly goods, and give the money to the poor and follow me (Matthew 19:18-21). If you cannot do that, then maybe you don't value the kingdom of heaven, which is like a pearl, and the man sold all he had to purchase that pearl (Matthew 13:46).

Do you keep all of God's commandments, including those that pertain to the heart?

 

[2ndpillar]

Do you keep all of God's commandments, including those that pertain to the heart?

Sin is transgression of the Law. When one sins they are cut off from God and join the ranks of the walking dead. As for the heart, Yeshua's law is more strict than found in the 10 commandments, in that if you look at a woman with lust, you have already committed adultery. According to law given through Moses, you could divorce your wife with a letter. According to Yeshua, not so much. (Matthew 5:31-32) If you want to leave your husband, you had better plan on joining a nunnery.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Sin is transgression of the Law. When one sins they are cut off from God and join the ranks of the walking dead. As for the heart, Yeshua's law is more strict than found in the 10 commandments, in that if you look at a woman with lust, you have already committed adultery. According to law given through Moses, you could divorce your wife with a letter. According to Yeshua, not so much. (Matthew 5:31-32) If you want to leave your husband, you had better plan on joining a nunnery.

Are you righteous? Are you without sin?

 

[2ndpillar]

Are you righteous? Are you without sin?

You shouldn't worry about me, it is yourself who you should worry about. The "righteous" are those who do what is right, and keep the Commandments of God, which was the message of Yeshua (Matthew 19:16). The lawless, those "who commit lawlessness", and follow the false gospel of he cross, the message of the devil, will be "gathered" at the "end of the age", and thrown into the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:39-42). Was king David without sin, yet he repented, and will become "king" /prince after the LORD judges between the sheep (Ezekiel 34:20-23). When one repents, they turn away from sin, and produce good fruit if they don't want to be roasted in a fire (Matthew 13:30) at the "end of he age".

 

[Redemptionsong]

You shouldn't worry about me, it is yourself who you should worry about. The "righteous" are those who do what is right, and keep the Commandments of God, which was the message of Yeshua (Matthew 19:16). The lawless, those "who commit lawlessness", and follow the false gospel of he cross, the message of the devil, will be "gathered" at the "end of the age", and thrown into the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:39-42). Was king David without sin, yet he repented, and will become "king" /prince after the LORD judges between the sheep (Ezekiel 34:20-23). When one repents, they turn away from sin, and produce good fruit if they don't want to be roasted in a fire (Matthew 13:30) at the "end of he age".

You prove my point by denying that you have sinned.

1 John 1:10. 'If we say that we have not sinned, we make him [Christ] a liar, and his word is not in us'.

I am happy to admit I have sinned, but you are not. Why? Because, if you say you have sinned, then it means that you are no longer righteous under the law. As you say, to sin is to break the law.

I don't live under the law, I live by faith under grace. Big difference.

 

[sayak83]

If a worshipper only knows one or two deities, how can he possibly know that there is only one essence?

What is the 'essence' of the multifarious forms?

The common foundation of conscious self awareness in all beings and the core substrate in all things, typically called the Self in all... is identified as this essence, also called Brahman.
The realization that everything that is, was or will ever be is fundamentally this Brahman that is also the inner Self of him/her is the key realization that all worshippers seek to attain. This awareness can be attained through worship of a suitable divine form, through meditation, through careful reflection or through self-less action.

 

[Redemptionsong]

The common foundation of conscious self awareness in all beings and the core substrate in all things, typically called the Self in all... is identified as this essence, also called Brahman.
The realization that everything that is, was or will ever be is fundamentally this Brahman that is also the inner Self of him/her is the key realization that all worshippers seek to attain. This awareness can be attained through worship of a suitable divine form, through meditation, through careful reflection or through self-less action.

Do you distinguish between the spirit that animates a man, and his soul (mind)? Does one lose all that is 'self' in uniting with Brahman?

Has anyone actually achieved unity with Brahman? How can you possibly know?

 

[sayak83]

Do you distinguish between the spirit that animates a man, and his soul (mind)? Does one lose all that is 'self' in uniting with Brahman?

Has anyone actually achieved unity with Brahman? How can you possibly know?

The spirit that you are talking about is usually called the "breath" and the soul you are talking about is usually called the ego-self. The inner Self animates both of these, but is even more fundamental than these. It is the "illuminating power" that makes this first person phenomenal subjective consciousness possible. It is also the substrate essence that makes things and events possible.
2nd part later. Something came up.

 

[2ndpillar]

You prove my point by denying that you have sinned.

1 John 1:10. 'If we say that we have not sinned, we make him [Christ] a liar, and his word is not in us'.

I am happy to admit I have sinned, but you are not. Why? Because, if you say you have sinned, then it means that you are no longer righteous under the law. As you say, to sin is to break the law.

I don't live under the law, I live by faith under grace. Big difference.

Don't dig too deep a hole for yourself. King David sinned, and was cut off from God, yet he repented and turned back to righteousness, and walked with God. One who sinned, and remains sinning, is cut off from God. You apparently say you have sinned. Have you repented and still sin? If you have been born of God, and remain in the seed/Word, you cannot continue to sin (1 John 3:9). It is the false prophet Paul who says if you sin, that increases your Grace. Not true, and if one walks down that road, they will find that road leads to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13-23)., and ultimately being gathered and thrown into the fire (Matthew 13:30).

 

[sayak83]

Do you distinguish between the spirit that animates a man, and his soul (mind)? Does one lose all that is 'self' in uniting with Brahman?

Has anyone actually achieved unity with Brahman? How can you possibly know?

The ego-self is lost when one's realization is united with Brahman. The individual I ceases and is replaces by the awareness of the greater I, which is the I of all beings.
Many of the sages and rishis and realized teachers (guru-s) have achieved this (that is their claim and the claim of the scriptures). You may be skeptical. My limited practice gives me some confidence that it is achievable.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Don't dig too deep a hole for yourself. King David sinned, and was cut off from God, yet he repented and turned back to righteousness, and walked with God. One who sinned, and remains sinning, is cut off from God. You apparently say you have sinned. Have you repented and still sin? If you have been born of God, and remain in the seed/Word, you cannot continue to sin (1 John 3:9). It is the false prophet Paul who says if you sin, that increases your Grace. Not true, and if one walks down that road, they will find that road leads to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13-23)., and ultimately being gathered and thrown into the fire (Matthew 13:30).

You use the example of David without realising that David walked by faith, and prophesied.

Hebrews 11:33. 'Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.'

Those under law are expected to do ALL that is written in the law. That is the nature of the old covenant. If you are under the old covenant then you are under obligation to fulfil all the law to achieve righteousness.

What right have you to claim Yeshua as Saviour if you reject the grace of God?

Hebrews 7:25. 'Wherefore he [Jesus Christ] is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.'

The way in which you 'come unto God by him' is to be 'born again' of his Spirit. This is not possible if you reject the Spirit, given by grace.

 

[Redemptionsong]

The ego-self is lost when one's realization is united with Brahman. The individual I ceases and is replaces by the awareness of the greater I, which is the I of all beings.
Many of the sages and rishis and realized teachers (guru-s) have achieved this (that is their claim and the claim of the scriptures). You may be skeptical. My limited practice gives me some confidence that it is achievable.

I understand that in meditation it is possible to lose all sense of 'self' but this is not 'selflessness' as l understand the term. For most people, living active lives, there has to be a pragmatic application of the fruits of love. Spending all one's time in meditation does not make one loving.

Surely, righteousness is the quality that matters most, not withdrawal from society?

 

[Elihoenai]

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is 'God with us'?

Isaiah 7:14

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matthew 1:23

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


Further to my previous post, the Roman Catholic Church is Universal for a reason. They Catch-All with, apparently. many different faces. At the fundamental level Roman Catholics have an Identifying Mark/Characteristic. Does any member on these forums know what that Identifying Mark/Characteristic is?

Your question means Emmanuel. I'm in total agreement with everything in the Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation. @Redemptionsong Your beliefs and teachings of the Scripture/Bible is Roman Catholic. Part of the Genius of the Universal Church is to make a person believe they are opposing their church or is a non-member while that person is actually supporting and working for the Church.

 

[sayak83]

I understand that in meditation it is possible to lose all sense of 'self' but this is not 'selflessness' as l understand the term. For most people, living active lives, there has to be a pragmatic application of the fruits of love. Spending all one's time in meditation does not make one loving.

Surely, righteousness is the quality that matters most, not withdrawal from society?

Righteousness (Dharma) is important, but realization of the Absolute is more important than Righteousness even. Withdrawal from society is only one among many other ways to achieve this.
The realization of Brahman and sublation of ego-self is possible both by performing self-less action or by meditation or by selfless loving devotion to deity, or by mixing them up as needed. What path works for a person depends on his or her inclinations or character.
It is entirely possible to be loving and selfless through the path of meditation as well (like Buddha). But people who wish to live actively can use the path of self-less other-regarding action to reach the same end as well (like Gandhi). Other can use the path of devotional worship to also attain that end (like Mira Bai).

It is interesting that you are asking the same questions that Arjuna asked to Krishna in the Gita. Maybe you should read it? (I have read the Bible).

 

[Redemptionsong]

Isaiah 7:14

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matthew 1:23

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


Further to my previous post, the Roman Catholic Church is Universal for a reason. They Catch-All with, apparently. many different faces. At the fundamental level Roman Catholics have an Identifying Mark/Characteristic. Does any member on these forums know what that Identifying Mark/Characteristic is?

Your question means Emmanuel. I'm in total agreement with everything in the Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation. @Redemptionsong Your beliefs and teachings of the Scripture/Bible is Roman Catholic. Part of the Genius of the Universal Church is to make a person believe they are opposing their church or is a non-member while that person is actually supporting and working for the Church.

Let's talk scripture, to see whether your accusation is accurate and true.

What do you accuse me of believing that is not found in the scriptures?

 

[2ndpillar]

You use the example of David without realising that David walked by faith, and prophesied.

Hebrews 11:33. 'Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.'

Those under law are expected to do ALL that is written in the law. That is the nature of the old covenant. If you are under the old covenant then you are under obligation to fulfil all the law to achieve righteousness.

What right have you to claim Yeshua as Saviour if you reject the grace of God?

Hebrews 7:25. 'Wherefore he [Jesus Christ] is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.'

The way in which you 'come unto God by him' is to be 'born again' of his Spirit. This is not possible if you reject the Spirit, given by grace.

David kept the Law until he broke it and was cut off from God, and then he had to repent and return to being righteous, and reconnected to God. Both Daniel and David were anointed by God, and Daniel kept the law as well. If one is righteous and turns from righteousness, they must die, be cut off from God. If they are wicked and repent, and become righteous, they will live (EZ 33:19). The word "Yeshua" means that YHWY saves. It is the Lord God who saves. Yeshua is the son of man, who is to come to take dominion after the heads of the beasts are all crushed (Daniel 7:13-14). No one is "saved" at this time, as the crushing of the beasts all at the same time, the "day of the LORD" is in abeyance. (EZ 33:19) As for your Hebrews 7:25, written by some unknown author, no one is "saved" from dying. (Jeremiah 31:30) King Saul, who was anointed king of Israel, danced among the prophets, yet he became demon possessed, and ultimately died. Guys named Saul, from the tribe of Benjamin, do not have a good track record.

New King James Version (Ezekiel 33:19)
But when the wicked turns from his wickedness and does what is lawful and right, he shall live because of it.

 

[2ndpillar]

What do you accuse me of believing that is not found in the scriptures?

Your definition of "scripture" does not match that with that given by Yeshua, or even the false prophet Paul in 2 Timothy 3:15. The "sacred writings" known from "childhood" would not include the writing of Paul.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

The Earthly/Worldly Leaders are Giants of the Flesh/Sin. It's about having Greater Capacity for the Flesh/Sin. It's called the Inverted Cross.

The Roman Catholic Church is depicted in video clip:

This is the fruitage of the Catholic church - Jordan Maxwell

@Kelly of the Phoenix You can escape the Dominion of the Earthly/Worldly leaders by sincere search for Elohim/God through Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ. Assuming that you are seeking for Righteousness.

Protestants don’t get to lecture Catholics on morals. The decor may be different but the sins are the same.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

What exactly do you think Jesus 'got wrong'?

He is all talk, for one. He was ineffective in bringing about lasting social improvements.