Kelly of the Phoenix
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Job was sinless. Jesus broke commandments.
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Are you a liar?
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Redemptionsong
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Since the Spirit of the Father is in the Son, it is quite legitimate to call the Son 'the Saviour'.
John 5:26. 'For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;'
If the Son has life in himself, then it is legitimate to call him 'the Saviour'.
Since you admit that David sinned, who was it that made David righteous? Was it God who accounted David's faith as righteousness? Or was it David who justified himself by works of righteousness?
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Redemptionsong
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Where in scripture does it say that Job was sinless?
Jesus broke none of God's commandments. What makes you think he did?
Redemptionsong
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Elihoenai and l share a belief in the canon of scripture.
The only scriptures extant at the time of Yeshua were the Hebrew scriptures.
What gives you the right to make up your own NT canon?
What right does the Roman Catholic church, a daughter of Babylon the Great,... author of the abominations of the earth" (Rev 17:5), have to proscribe any canon. I am just saying that one either heeds the message of Yeshua, or their house/church, will "fall". Heeding the message of the false prophet Paul, in keeping his false gospel of grace, will only lead one to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). You NT has the message of the "enemy"/"devil", the tare seed, mixed with the message (good seed) of the "son of man", and the followers and message of the "devil" will protected from destruction until the end of the age (Matthew 13:30).
I mean if James can't convince you of the difference between acts of "faith" and in believing something, who am I to tell you what seems apparent to me. (James 3:23-26). The demons believe, but apparently, they have much to shudder for. Apparently the demons and the devil are going to be locked in the pit for a thousand years, and apparently, those who do not keep the Commandments, and enter into life", will share their own pit with each other .(Matthew 19:16-17). Because they also have the mark of the beast, they will have to drink from the cup of God's wrath as well (Rev 14:10). Just saying. As for Yeshua being anointed, and then you calling him your saviour, as you seem to claim you are also baptized in the Spirit of God, do I have to call you my "saviour"?
Fallen Prophet
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What do you mean by God being on anyone's "side"?
Why do you believe that God was "on the side" of David Koresh and his community?
I say this to believers who have invested heavily in their faith. They tend to self-validate their beliefs for no better reason than they believe in God, and they believe they have the truth. If they do, and they can believe and justify any absurd thing they want (which many theists do) then we can surmise they believe god approves their thinking and is thus on their side of social and political issues. Even the KKK thinks God agrees with them, so God is on their side, according to their thinking.
Of course no Gods are known to exist, and theists decide for themselves that God approves and agrees with their beliefs, even if the believers are nuts and immoral. There is no God test. The believer decides.
I don't. I'm not convinced any Gods exist. I was being sarcastic and illustrating my point.
Redemptionsong
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The apostles were witnesses to the truth of Jesus Christ, and to the message he taught. It is their testimony, inspired by the Holy Spirit, that we find in the canon of scripture.
Your rejection of the Gospel of grace is a rejection of Christ as Saviour from sin.
What you propose as an alternative is a continuation of the OT. There is nothing new about the covenant your Yeshua brings.
How do you think Jesus was able to wash away sin, if not through his resurrection and promise of new life (the Holy Spirit)?
Redemptionsong
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James says, 'faith without works is dead', not that a man is justified without faith. Faith must come first, followed by works of faith.
What you propose is 'works without faith', which is the same as works under the law.
What I am saying that if you don't act on what you believe, you have no faith. Faith is an active concept. The demons "believe", yet have every reason to tremble. You may believe in the tare seed put out by the false prophet Paul, but it only leads to "destruction" (Mt 7:13) & (Matthew 13:30-42). You may even act on the message of the "devil", but it still won't keep you from being cut down and thrown into the fire (Mt 3 & 13:30).
If ones sins were forgiven, they wouldn't need to be healed. As for the "New covenant" which is where the Law is put in the hearts of the house of Judah and Israel/Ephraim per Jeremiah 31:31-34, that doesn't happen until Judah and Ephraim are combined on the land given to Jacob, under the leadership of "My servant David" (Ez 36 & 37). At that time, after Israel is taken out of the nations, they will be given a new heart and spirit, and then I "will sprinkle clean water on you, I will cleanse you from all your filthiness" (Ez 36:25), and "you will be careful to observe My ordinances".
Kelly of the Phoenix
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If God is omnipresent, we can never be separated from Him.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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God specifically said that He is punishing a man for whom He has found no fault. Jesus broke several. That he countered with smart mouth responses doesn’t change that.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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Me: steps on God’s toe
God: Ow
Me: Sorry
God: De nada
Forgiveness achievement accomplished
Elihoenai
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Let's take this a step at a time. What do you and 2.2 Billions of other Christians in Christendom assert to be True in the Scriptures/Bible?
Elihoenai
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Amen! The Sins of the Roman Catholics and Protestants are the same.
Amen - what does it mean?
Assuming the Gospels are true at face value, which is dubious given the many differences of detail and content. And there's reason to doubt given the supernatural goings on, which suggests myth.
Which is a rational idea to reject since it isn't consistent with what we know of reality, and the lack of facts that these ideas are true. No one can point to sin as a real thing outside of Christian lore.
Yet Christians have changed the meaning of the OT in many ways, from literal interpretations of Genesis to what salvation and sin means. I suggest we all accept how the Jews interpret the OT since it is their book, not Christians.
Yet sin still exists. So what was washed away, exactly? Why did God create the circumstance of sin in the first place only to try to eliminate it by impregnating a women and then having him executed?
And the resurrection seems to invalidate the sacrifice of Jesus. When you sacrifice life for something to redeem tit for tat, the sacrifice had better stick. If you sacrifice a virgin to the volcano god, but the virgin shows up at the party the next weekend, well the volcano god is going to feel cheated.
What do 22.2 billion Christians assert is true, meaning what do they all agree about?
That none of them agree. Hey, at least Catholics and Protestants aren't killing each other any more.
Yeshua's message was that the "kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 3), and if you don't confess your sins, repent, and produce fruit in line with that repentance, you would be cut down and thrown into the fire. The message stays the same, and according to Yeshua (Mt 24:30) and Hosea 6:2, after 2 days (2000 years), on the 3rd day, after Judah and Ephraim "acknowledge"/confess their guilt", after being crushed in judgment, such as 6 million Jews killed in the 2nd World War, they will be healed, and the nations/Gentiles will be judged (Joel 3:1-2) after Jerusalem, and Judah have been restored, which happened in 1948. Now all we have to wait for judgment day, when the nations will come against Jerusalem, and be crushed all at the same time (Zechariah 14). Yeshua's message was the kingdom of heaven, as presented in "parables" so that only those with eyes to see can perceive Mt 13:13), and one parable was that the tares, the wicked, the lawless, would prevail until the "end of the age", at which time they would gathered out and tossed into the fire (Mt 13:30-42), which is an event often termed as Har-Magedon, the "great tribulation". On the other hand, the tare seed, the message of the "devil" (Mt 13:39-42), sown by his false prophet Paul, reigns until the end, by way of the church of the Roman emperor Constantine, the "beast with two horns like a lamb". The false prophet of "social improvements" was Karl Marx. An improvement which cost poor Russians and Chinese about 70 million lives in the 20th century.