Are you a liar?

[Elihoenai]

I'm not disobeying because l don't often drink it!

Is it correct that you subscribe to the teaching in the following video about taking Bread and the Wine / Holy Communion?

How Often and Who Should/Shouldn't Take Communion? — Ask a Pastor, Dr. Joel C. Hunter

The reason that spiritual baptism can take place before the ritual of water baptism is because we cannot see the repentance in a man's heart. Cornelius' household received the Spirit, and Peter then suggested that they be water baptised [Acts 10:47]. How do you explain that?

Matthew 3:13-17

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Are you saying that you agree that a person must Repent before they can receive the Holy Spirit? The act of Repentance is Water Baptism.

The Scripture in Acts 10:47 is a mystery. We must follow the example of the Jesus Christ/Yeshua Messiah. The Spirit of Elohim/God came upon Yeshua/Jesus after John the Baptist Water Baptism.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Do you feel the same way about clothes?

No - because there is no sexual suggestiveness involved with mask wearing.

 

[Tinker Grey]

No - because there is no sexual suggestiveness involved with mask wearing.

Then you aren't doing it right.

 

[F1fan]

True Religious Phenomenon is in the Supernatural Realm. You cannot provide facts that prove Supernatural Phenomenon is Real. That's why True Religion is about Personal Faith.

Thanks for being honest that there are no facts that support claims of a supernatural existing. The lack of facts means it is not rational to assume a supernatural exists. Not only are there no facts, supernatural isn't consistent with what we observe of the world and how it works.

Plus, faith is unreliable and not a valid basis to decide what to believe in. Rational people avoid faith as a means to decide what to believe true.

The Universal Roman Catholic Church is the True Earthly Church that has 2.2 Billion members including all Protestants. Protestants are actually Roman Catholic. Apparently, the Church views me as a Heretic non-member. That's the point being made.

Well, that's your claim, it's odd, and something that Protestants and Catholics will disagree with. I'm curious what your motive is to attempt a unity that doesn't exist in reality.

I was convinced by seeing the True Original Christian Doctrine in the Scriptures/Bible and Religious Practice. Knowing that Elohim/God exists acquired through Seeing and Religious Experience.

Well if this is a valid process then present it to critical thinkers and we will give it a real test of credibility.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Is it correct that you subscribe to the teaching in the following video about taking Bread and the Wine / Holy Communion?

How Often and Who Should/Shouldn't Take Communion? — Ask a Pastor, Dr. Joel C. Hunter

Matthew 3:13-17

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Are you saying that you agree that a person must Repent before they can receive the Holy Spirit? The act of Repentance is Water Baptism.

The Scripture in Acts 10:47 is a mystery. We must follow the example of the Jesus Christ/Yeshua Messiah. The Spirit of Elohim/God came upon Yeshua/Jesus after John the Baptist Water Baptism.

I see the eucharist as a memorial, in which the bread and wine are symbols of the flesh and blood of Christ. I do not believe in transubstantiation.

IMO, the memorial is to remind the gathered believers of their unity in Christ, as the spiritual body of the one who was 'the Lamb of God'.

As regards baptism, Ephesians tells us that there is only one baptism. This must be because both man and God play a role. Man's part is to repent; and God's part is to send the Holy Spirit.

The problem with relying too intently on a a ritual is that it does not always convey the inner truth of a man's heart. In the case of Cornelius, there must have been repentance when he heard the preaching of Peter. God, who reads the heart, sent the Holy Spirit.

Cornelius' outward baptism in water, ordered by Peter, was to make a public declaration of his inner repentance and acceptance of Christ.

 

[Redemptionsong]

The "apostles" chosen included Judas, who as per Zechariah 11:8 & 11-13, was "annihilated"/lost as noted in Matthew 27:7-10. There were two other "shepherds", who were to "pasture" "the flock (Christian church) doomed to slaughter", mentioned in Zechariah 11, the most notable for the Roman church, is the "worthless shepherd" Peter (Zechariah 11:16-17), who would not feed, care or tend the sheep. The other "shepherd" mentioned was Paul, who was to attempt to "break" the "covenant with the people", the covenant of Circumcision, the covenant given through Abraham, the "father of the peoples" (Zechariah 11:10). Keep in mind, that it was the "LORD my God", who was to use these 3 shepherds to fulfill his will. He also used Nebuchadnezzar, Alexander's general Antiochus, and Vespasian to deal with Israel. You are conflating the message of the devil (Matthew 13:38-39) with the message of the "son of man", which leads to being gathered and thrown into the "furnace of fire".

I've noticed that you rely heavily upon a private interpretation of Zechariah 11 as a way of denouncing the Church and the Gospel of grace. I believe you have incorrectly substituted the 'shepherds' of lsrael for the 'shepherds' of the Church.

The prophets always kept the 'mystery' of the Church hidden from lsrael. This is why lsaiah conflates the first and second comings of Christ [as in Isaiah 61]. Israel needed to know that the Messiah would come to his own first - and he did!

 

[2ndpillar]

I've noticed that you rely heavily upon a private interpretation of Zechariah 11 as a way of denouncing the Church and the Gospel of grace. I believe you have incorrectly substituted the 'shepherds' of lsrael for the 'shepherds' of the Church.

The prophets always kept the 'mystery' of the Church hidden from lsrael. This is why lsaiah conflates the first and second comings of Christ [as in Isaiah 61]. Israel needed to know that the Messiah would come to his own first - and he did!

I kind of think that Yeshua dismantled the false gospel of grace, which is the nailing of the law to the cross, per Matthew 13:38-42 and Matthew 7:23. As for "first" and "last", it will the "first" who are "last", which means the Jews will be the "last", and the Gentiles, the first "lasts" will be "first", and their time of the last "first" is coming to and end as stipulated in Hosea 3. As per the prophet Daniel, it is the "wicked" who will not "understand", which would be the lawless, those under the false gospel of Grace. In the last days, it will be "Judah and Jerusalem" who will be Pleasing to the LORD" (Malachi 3:4). Keep trying, it can't hurt.

 

[Muffled]

I see the eucharist as a memorial, in which the bread and wine are symbols of the flesh and blood of Christ. I do not believe in transubstantiation.

IMO, the memorial is to remind the gathered believers of their unity in Christ, as the spiritual body of the one who was 'the Lamb of God'.

As regards baptism, Ephesians tells us that there is only one baptism. This must be because both man and God play a role. Man's part is to repent; and God's part is to send the Holy Spirit.

The problem with relying too intently on a a ritual is that it does not always convey the inner truth of a man's heart. In the case of Cornelius, there must have been repentance when he heard the preaching of Peter. God, who reads the heart, sent the Holy Spirit.

Cornelius' outward baptism in water, ordered by Peter, was to make a public declaration of his inner repentance and acceptance of Christ.

I believe it is a reminder that God is in us both in word and Spirit.

 

[Elihoenai]

Thanks for being honest that there are no facts that support claims of a supernatural existing. The lack of facts means it is not rational to assume a supernatural exists. Not only are there no facts, supernatural isn't consistent with what we observe of the world and how it works.

Plus, faith is unreliable and not a valid basis to decide what to believe in. Rational people avoid faith as a means to decide what to believe true.

A person must experience the Supernatural themselves to know that it exist. It's not believable otherwise, because it is not normal Phenomenon.

Well, that's your claim, it's odd, and something that Protestants and Catholics will disagree with. I'm curious what your motive is to attempt a unity that doesn't exist in reality.

The Roman Catholics and Protestants are Unified given that the Protestant War has been a Phony War all along. No doubt there are Billions of Roman Catholics and Protestants that totally refute this.

Well if this is a valid process then present it to critical thinkers and we will give it a real test of credibility.

Matthew 16:13

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?


The Valid Process with all the Credibility is Jesus Christ/Yeshua Messiah. The issue is that there are Billions of people all having different interpretations about who Jesus Christ/Yeshua Messiah is.

Jesus/Yeshua posed this critical question to his Disciples: WHOM DO MEN SAY THAT I THE SON OF MAN AM?

 

[Subduction Zone]

A person must experience the Supernatural themselves to know that it exist. It's not believable otherwise, because it is not normal Phenomenon.




The Roman Catholics and Protestants are Unified given that the Protestant War has been a Phony War all along. No doubt there are Billions of Roman Catholics and Protestants that totally refute this.




Matthew 16:13

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?


The Valid Process with all the Credibility is Jesus Christ/Yeshua Messiah. The issue is that there are Billions of people all having different interpretations about who Jesus Christ/Yeshua Messiah is.

Jesus/Yeshua posed this critical question to his Disciples: WHOM DO MEN SAY THAT I THE SON OF MAN AM?

Okay . . . so God is immoral since he may play hide and seek with someone and penalize that person when he or she did not look under the neighbor's 67th paver.

 

[Elihoenai]

I see the eucharist as a memorial, in which the bread and wine are symbols of the flesh and blood of Christ. I do not believe in transubstantiation.

IMO, the memorial is to remind the gathered believers of their unity in Christ, as the spiritual body of the one who was 'the Lamb of God'.

As regards baptism, Ephesians tells us that there is only one baptism. This must be because both man and God play a role. Man's part is to repent; and God's part is to send the Holy Spirit.

The problem with relying too intently on a a ritual is that it does not always convey the inner truth of a man's heart. In the case of Cornelius, there must have been repentance when he heard the preaching of Peter. God, who reads the heart, sent the Holy Spirit.

Cornelius' outward baptism in water, ordered by Peter, was to make a public declaration of his inner repentance and acceptance of Christ.

Matthew 3:11

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:


1) The Bread and Wine is taken as part of Passover. Passover is in the Law of Moses. The Lamb of God is the Passover.

2) There is Baptism with Water unto Repentance and Baptism with the Holy Spirit and with Fire. These are Different Dispensations.

3) True Followers Water Baptise having obtained True Repentance.

 

[Elihoenai]

Okay . . . so God is immoral since he may play hide and seek with someone and penalize that person when he or she did not look under the neighbor's 67th paver.

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Isaiah 13:11

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.


Every Punishment that a person receives from Elohim/God is Fully Deserved and Justified. The Devil/Satan is Elohim's/God's instrument to Try the Saints and Punish Evildoers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Isaiah 13:11

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.


Every Punishment that a person receives from Elohim/God is Fully Deserved and Justified. The Devil/Satan is Elohim's/God's instrument to Try the Saints and Punish Evildoers.

Sorry, but that is pure BS. Is your version of God a just God?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Matthew 3:11

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:


1) The Bread and Wine is taken as part of Passover. Passover is in the Law of Moses. The Lamb of God is the Passover.

2) There is Baptism with Water unto Repentance and Baptism with the Holy Spirit and with Fire. These are Different Dispensations.

3) True Followers Water Baptise having obtained True Repentance.

No, number 3 does not logically follow. You would also need to prove this claim. In case you did not know the Bible is not evidence, it is just part of the claim.

 

[Elihoenai]

Sorry, but that is pure BS. Is your version of God a just God?

Certainly Elohim/God is Just giving Evildoers their Just Deserts Punishment.

In the World you get punished for driving through a red light with fines and in some States in the US you receive the Death Penalty Punishment for murder. It's Just for Evildoers to receive appropriate punishment. @Subduction Zone Are you saying that disagree with punishment for wrong doers?

 

[Elihoenai]

No, number 3 does not logically follow. You would also need to prove this claim. In case you did not know the Bible is not evidence, it is just part of the claim.

I'm a Christian and that means the Scriptures/Bible is Cast Iron Irrefutable Evidence. Everything in the Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation is True.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I'm a Christian and that means the Scriptures/Bible is Cast Iron Irrefutable Evidence. Everything in the Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation is True.

That is one way to do it. I do it differently.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Matthew 3:11

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:


1) The Bread and Wine is taken as part of Passover. Passover is in the Law of Moses. The Lamb of God is the Passover.

2) There is Baptism with Water unto Repentance and Baptism with the Holy Spirit and with Fire. These are Different Dispensations.

3) True Followers Water Baptise having obtained True Repentance.

True followers walk by the Holy Spirit, which is the baptism of Jesus Christ.

Water baptism in the name of Jesus is a baptism that demonstrates human intention, including a willingness to follow Christ by putting off the old life and embracing the new.

I'm aware that the elements of the holy communion have their roots in the Passover, and some believers choose to celebrate once a year on this basis. I can see no scriptural teaching that obligates a believer to follow such a path.

 

[Redemptionsong]

I kind of think that Yeshua dismantled the false gospel of grace, which is the nailing of the law to the cross, per Matthew 13:38-42 and Matthew 7:23. As for "first" and "last", it will the "first" who are "last", which means the Jews will be the "last", and the Gentiles, the first "lasts" will be "first", and their time of the last "first" is coming to and end as stipulated in Hosea 3. As per the prophet Daniel, it is the "wicked" who will not "understand", which would be the lawless, those under the false gospel of Grace. In the last days, it will be "Judah and Jerusalem" who will be Pleasing to the LORD" (Malachi 3:4). Keep trying, it can't hurt.

There are big holes in your theology, the most obvious of which is the two thousand year 'void' from the time of Jesus' resurrection to the present.

Matthew 13 talks about the kingdom being established by Christ, and the harvest coming at the end of the growing season (Christ's return) when the tares will be separated from the wheat.

During this time, lsrael has experienced the diaspora, a time when God said He would 'tear and go away' [Hosea 5:14].

Hosea 5:15. ' l will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.'

How do you explain the last two thousand years?

 

[Elihoenai]

That is one way to do it. I do it differently.

What is your approach? Are you a Christian? I see in your profile image you have the question, "Who Am I?" @mikkel_the_dane Have you found out who you are?