Are you a liar?

[Subduction Zone]

It was "aborted" in the case of adultery. The waters taken did not affect the wombs of the righteous, those who did not commit adultery. Apparently, the wicked, the law breakers, were unable to reproduce. Fortunately, today, the wicked, the lawless, such as AOC, elect to not produce. Maybe if the government pays for her educational debt, she will feel freer to reproduce. Hopefully, the government will not pay enough of her debt to give her such a sense of freedom. One can only hope. If 90%of the population is forced to pay the debt of the over rated 10% of the higher college educated with their 1.5 trillion debt, the poor Progressives will loose even more votes. The millenniums have already turned against Brandon, I am not thinking that a $10,000 check will buy many their votes. The college educated women seem to be turning against the Progressives. It appears getting killed by a hammer, or stabbed to death, or getting car jacked, is loosing is luster.

No, if this test was ever done there really was no way to tell. It was an abortion. But even if it is according to your beliefs it is still the abortion of an innocent victim. You can't have it both ways. If you are anti-abortion you have to be anti-Bible.

This is just another self contradiction of your religion. It has quite a few of them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, being a Democrat has nothing to do with being in the KKK today. You are conflating old school democrats with new school democrats. Today members of the KKK tend to be Republican. That was Richard Nixon's doing:

Study: The KKK helped Republicans win the South

Sorry to quote myself but I felt that I had to add to this post. The Republicans used to be the party of equal rights. That goes back to Civil War times when the Republicans were the party of the North and the Democrats were the party of the Confederacy. It remained that way for quite some time. The last time that the Republicans were on the side of equal rights was in the early 60's when they passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Both sides of the aisle passed it, but the strength was in the 80% range for both Houses for Republican support vs. the 60% range for both houses in Democratic support. Then came Nixon and his Southern Strategy:

Southern strategy - Wikipedia

It worked. The appealed to white voters in the South. And the white voters in the south have been solidly Republican since then.

 

[Redemptionsong]

@Redemptionsong Your theology is Roman Catholic. You said that you have been Water Baptised and had Laying on of Hands, as demonstrated in videos. The Evil Geniuses Theology of the Universal Roman Catholic Church makes it impossible to stop Sinning.

Water Baptism is one of the Sacraments. Do you partake in the Eucharist?

Water baptism is the baptism of John, a public sign of one's inner intention to turn to Christ. Every baptism is constituted of two parts; the part of sinful man, and the part of God. The baptism of Jesus Christ, in Holy Spirit, is for those who believe and are seen to have a contrite spirit. It's the baptism that Jesus Christ offers that is of fundamental importance. There are cases in the NT where spiritual baptism preceeded water baptism, but the water baptism was followed nevertheless.

There may be variations in the practice of water baptism, but, so long as there is an understanding of repentance, these variations are not important, lMO.

I rarely partake in the sharing of bread and wine, as in the fellowship that l presently keep we know our standing in Christ.

To my understanding, the emphasis of the NT is very much on the spiritual fulfilment of the law. A 'born again' believer is to walk by the Spirit in love.

 

[Redemptionsong]

What does it mean "to return to the world"? Are you not in the world?

Jesus said, 'l have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as l am not of the world.' [John 17:14]

 

[F1fan]

Jesus said, 'l have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as l am not of the world.' [John 17:14]

Well that explains nothing.

What does it mean to not be of the world?

And are you "of the world", or not? Are you an actual human being that is alive walking and talking on this planet?

If you don't know, then just admit it.

 

[2ndpillar]

Yes. His rank indicated that he was the head of a local chapter only.

Here's wiki info: Robert Byrd - Wikipedia

Byrd later called joining the KKK "the greatest mistake I ever made."[7] In 1997, he told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also warned, "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."[35] In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision—a jejune and immature outlook—seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions."[36] Byrd also said in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."[15]
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{Emphasis added}

To link Biden to the KKK via this is nothing but a smear. You should be ashamed.

To refer to a guy who organized a KKK chapter and headed it as an "only", is a bit ingenuous. He "apologized", because being associated with the KKK was a political "albatross". Biden, according to his VP Harris, is also associated with segregation, a position also held by Byrd, who was praised by Biden. The ones who should be ashamed are the one's who voted for a mentally and morally deficient president, an incompetent VP, .and as for the mentally challenged Congressmen and women, I think in November, that will be partly rectified with respect to Congress. I expect that the VP will enact the 25th amendment, and try and become president in the near future, and Biden can try and get a job at an ice cream parlor, and Pelosi can try and impeach the VP and become president. The incompetent Mayor Pete will try and replace her, but if he can't find a baby sitter, he will have to stay home and take care of his adopted children instead.

 

[2ndpillar]

Jesus said, 'l have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as l am not of the world.' [John 17:14]

The "world", in the form of the "Christian" church, has nailed "Thy word" to the cross, because the "world has hated them". (John 17:14)

 

[F1fan]

I expect that the VP will enact the 25th amendment, and try and become president in the near future, and Biden can try and get a job at an ice cream parlor, and Pelosi can try and impeach the VP and become president.

Actually Biden is showing more mental acuity than Trump did when he was president. He's old but doing quite well in his speeches and interviews, so your "prediction" here has no factual or logical basis. Your right wing extremism is showing.

The incompetent Mayor Pete will try and replace her, but if he can't find a baby sitter, he will have to stay home and take care of his adopted children instead.

Actually Mayor Pete is well respected and highly competent. Are you biased because he is gay, and married, and has a child? Tell us more about your prejudice.

You claim to be Christian, isn't that right? If so, explain how your views mirror what Jesus taught.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Well that explains nothing.

What does it mean to not be of the world?

And are you "of the world", or not? Are you an actual human being that is alive walking and talking on this planet?

If you don't know, then just admit it.

When a person is 'born again' of the Spirit of God, their treasure is where their heart lies - with Christ in heaven. Instead of placing faith in the things that decay, a believer places faith in the things of Christ, which do not decay.

 

[Elihoenai]

Since many theists have flawed beliefs that are contrary to science it is appropriate to refer to science and it's accuracy as a rebuttal to errors of judgment. We see many theists show bias and contempt for science, and I find this mental state every interesting. What do theists fear about science, and why are they so insecure in their faith?

@F1fan I don't believe that you are that naive. To the contrary, the Scientists are Terrified of the Pure Religionist. Those that practice Pure Religion are Superior to those practising Pure Science. The Nazi leaders practiced Pure Religion and had the Scientists under their control to produce advanced Weapons and Biological innovations etc.. Pure Religionists do such things as blow themselves up and fly planes into Towers. The Nazis and Ku Klux Klan (KKK) are Satanic Knights Templar/Freemason Vatican Soldiers practising Pure Religion. I'm on the opposite spectrum of those Pure Religionist being Non-violent.

Quote: Adolf Hitler son of the Catholic Church died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious figure. with the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory.

Two Kingdoms in the Third Reich - Professor Alec Ryrie

Of course there is no known religious phenomenon outside of what the social sciences explain about it. Theists certainly fail time after time to demonstrate their beliefs are real and true, you included.

Social sciences cannot explain True Religious phenomenon. Yes, Theist fail every time because True Religion cannot be explained with Science and Facts. I have not Failed in this because have not tried to prove with science and facts and I have told you repeatedly that it cannot be done. Are you listening?

You used the number of believers in Christianity as if that means something about the validity of what Christians believe. It doesn't.

No, I'm not using the 2.2 Billion numbers in this way. Although, its true that the Universal Roman Catholic Church holds validity among its members.

Too many options, too few facts. This is why rational thinkers aren't convinced any Gods exist outside of human imagination.

That's correct and they will never be convinced. I have not attempted to prove that Elohim/God exist with Facts. It cannot be done.

@F1fan Deists will try to give you Rationale explanations to prove the existence of Elohim/God. I'm on the opposite spectrum to the Deists.

Deism

Deism (/ˈdiːɪzəm/ DEE-iz-əm [1][2] or /ˈdeɪ.ɪzəm/ DAY-iz-əm; derived from the Latin deus, meaning "god")[3][4] is the philosophical position and rationalistic theology[5] that generally rejects revelation as a source of divine knowledge, and asserts that empirical reason and observation of the natural world are exclusively logical, reliable, and sufficient to determine the existence of a Supreme Being as the creator of the universe.

Deism - Wikipedia

 

[Subduction Zone]

Social sciences cannot explain True Religious phenomenon.

A word of advice. You should be careful when you make statements like this because it does put a burden of proof upon you. Of course I am not even sure if "True Religious phenomena" is not even just a nonsense term that you made up. If that is the case your claim would be logically fallacious because social scientists would be unaware of this and you would have no clue if they could explain it or not.

But the big take away is that that sort of statement puts a burden of proof upon you and you refute yourself if you cannot support that claim. Personally I do not have enough knowledge about the social sciences or your claim to make any sort of statement if you are correct or not, but I recognize when someone takes on the burden of proof.

 

[Elihoenai]

Water baptism is the baptism of John, a public sign of one's inner intention to turn to Christ. Every baptism is constituted of two parts; the part of sinful man, and the part of God. The baptism of Jesus Christ, in Holy Spirit, is for those who believe and are seen to have a contrite spirit. It's the baptism that Jesus Christ offers that is of fundamental importance. There are cases in the NT where spiritual baptism preceeded water baptism, but the water baptism was followed nevertheless.

There may be variations in the practice of water baptism, but, so long as there is an understanding of repentance, these variations are not important, lMO.

I rarely partake in the sharing of bread and wine, as in the fellowship that l presently keep we know our standing in Christ.

To my understanding, the emphasis of the NT is very much on the spiritual fulfilment of the law. A 'born again' believer is to walk by the Spirit in love.

1 Corinthians 11:25-26

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.


Given that John the Baptist Water Baptism is washing of the Flesh, how can Spiritual Baptism be before Water Baptism? Every potential believer initially comes to Elohim/God in Sinful Flesh.

Yeshua/Jesus instructed to partake in the Bread and Wine as oft as you drink it. Why are you not obeying this instruction?

 

[Elihoenai]

A word of advice. You should be careful when you make statements like this because it does put a burden of proof upon you. Of course I am not even sure if "True Religious phenomena" is not even just a nonsense term that you made up. If that is the case your claim would be logically fallacious because social scientists would be unaware of this and you would have no clue if they could explain it or not.

But the big take away is that that sort of statement puts a burden of proof upon you and you refute yourself if you cannot support that claim. Personally I do not have enough knowledge about the social sciences or your claim to make any sort of statement if you are correct or not, but I recognize when someone takes on the burden of proof.

You can keep your advice. I have Absolute Certainty that Social Sciences cannot explain True Religious Phenomenon. True Religious Phenomenon is in the Supernatural Realm where Social Science is limited to Natural Realm.

 

[F1fan]

When a person is 'born again' of the Spirit of God, their treasure is where their heart lies - with Christ in heaven. Instead of placing faith in the things that decay, a believer places faith in the things of Christ, which do not decay.

OK, prove all this is real and true and not just religious dogma. I'm not convinced.

 

[F1fan]

@F1fan I don't believe that you are that naive. To the contrary, the Scientists are Terrified of the Pure Religionist. Those that practice Pure Religion are Superior to those practising Pure Science. The Nazi leaders practiced Pure Religion and had the Scientists under their control to produce advanced Weapons and Biological innovations etc.. Pure Religionists do such things as blow themselves up and fly planes into Towers. The Nazis and Ku Klux Klan (KKK) are Satanic Knights Templar/Freemason Vatican Soldiers practising Pure Religion. I'm on the opposite spectrum of those Pure Religionist being Non-violent.

Quote: Adolf Hitler son of the Catholic Church died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious figure. with the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory.

Two Kingdoms in the Third Reich - Professor Alec Ryrie

This is an absurd and irrational response to what I said. It totally misses my observations and facts.

Social sciences cannot explain True Religious phenomenon.

Could it be because it is not a real thing? It sounds like a new and improved claim that tries to rise about the failed claims of theists, as if that will fool anybody.

If it is a real and authentic phenomenon then describe it, and provide facts that it's real.

Yes, Theist fail every time because True Religion cannot be explained with Science and Facts. I have not Failed in this because have not tried to prove with science and facts and I have told you repeatedly that it cannot be done. Are you listening?

I am hearing you claim to not fail as I observe you fail. You are skilled at convincing yourself of success but I can see you fail.

No, I'm not using the 2.2 Billion numbers in this way. Although, its true that the Universal Roman Catholic Church holds validity among its members.

Then you shouldn't have brought up the numbers. That's another mistake.

That's correct and they will never be convinced. I have not attempted to prove that Elohim/God exist with Facts. It cannot be done.

Then how were you convinced? Who told you a God exists?

Or are you admitting that you only guess God exists, and you could be mistaken about it?

 

[Redemptionsong]

1 Corinthians 11:25-26

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.


Given that John the Baptist Water Baptism is washing of the Flesh, how can Spiritual Baptism be before Water Baptism? Every potential believer initially comes to Elohim/God in Sinful Flesh.

Yeshua/Jesus instructed to partake in the Bread and Wine as oft as you drink it. Why are you not obeying this instruction?

I'm not disobeying because l don't often drink it!

The reason that spiritual baptism can take place before the ritual of water baptism is because we cannot see the repentance in a man's heart. Cornelius' household received the Spirit, and Peter then suggested that they be water baptised [Acts 10:47]. How do you explain that?

 

[Redemptionsong]

OK, prove all this is real and true and not just religious dogma. I'm not convinced.

What exactly are you asking me to prove?

Either Jesus is the Messiah, or he is not. The evidence is in the Bible, and you have to make up your mind based on that evidence.

 

[Redemptionsong]

The "world", in the form of the "Christian" church, has nailed "Thy word" to the cross, because the "world has hated them". (John 17:14)

The 'world' is not the Christian Church. To even suggest this is to make the Holy Spirit a liar.

It's absurd to suggest that the very apostles chosen by Jesus are the ones who reject the Word!

 

[2ndpillar]

The 'world' is not the Christian Church. To even suggest this is to make the Holy Spirit a liar.

It's absurd to suggest that the very apostles chosen by Jesus are the ones who reject the Word!

The "apostles" chosen included Judas, who as per Zechariah 11:8 & 11-13, was "annihilated"/lost as noted in Matthew 27:7-10. There were two other "shepherds", who were to "pasture" "the flock (Christian church) doomed to slaughter", mentioned in Zechariah 11, the most notable for the Roman church, is the "worthless shepherd" Peter (Zechariah 11:16-17), who would not feed, care or tend the sheep. The other "shepherd" mentioned was Paul, who was to attempt to "break" the "covenant with the people", the covenant of Circumcision, the covenant given through Abraham, the "father of the peoples" (Zechariah 11:10). Keep in mind, that it was the "LORD my God", who was to use these 3 shepherds to fulfill his will. He also used Nebuchadnezzar, Alexander's general Antiochus, and Vespasian to deal with Israel. You are conflating the message of the devil (Matthew 13:38-39) with the message of the "son of man", which leads to being gathered and thrown into the "furnace of fire".

 

[Elihoenai]

Could it be because it is not a real thing? It sounds like a new and improved claim that tries to rise about the failed claims of theists, as if that will fool anybody.

If it is a real and authentic phenomenon then describe it, and provide facts that it's real.

True Religious Phenomenon is in the Supernatural Realm. You cannot provide facts that prove Supernatural Phenomenon is Real. That's why True Religion is about Personal Faith.

I am hearing you claim to not fail as I observe you fail. You are skilled at convincing yourself of success but I can see you fail.

That's correct. Every person must be fully convinced in their own mind. I cannot convince you and have not tried to do so. Nobody can believe for you.

Then you shouldn't have brought up the numbers. That's another mistake.

The Universal Roman Catholic Church is the True Earthly Church that has 2.2 Billion members including all Protestants. Protestants are actually Roman Catholic. Apparently, the Church views me as a Heretic non-member. That's the point being made.

Then how were you convinced? Who told you a God exists?

Or are you admitting that you only guess God exists, and you could be mistaken about it?

I was convinced by seeing the True Original Christian Doctrine in the Scriptures/Bible and Religious Practice. Knowing that Elohim/God exists acquired through Seeing and Religious Experience.