Are you a liar?

[F1fan]

The Fundamental Level means the Essential Nature.

And what does that mean? Use facts.

Those words written about the Christians being hopelessly divided is very true. It's the nature of the Earthly Church to be divided. Furthermore, Christianity, Judaism and Islam have the same Essential Nature. It's the reason why members in these Religions are enjoying their Sins and/or find it impossible to stop Sinning.

Too bad God set up a bad and flawed system. If God wanted people to be (whatever you think they should be) righteous then why did God create them so easily tempted and make righteousness so difficult?

Do you think you are righteous, or above your fellow believers who can't stop sinning? Have you stopped sinning?

Agreed. The Earthly Church has no absolute Truth and every member in all the Christian Churches have their own Private Interpretation of Scripture/Bible. The divisions in the Church cannot and will never be resolved. These Christians have rejected the Original Christian Doctrine.

And what is that?

1 Corinthians 3:3

3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

There you have it. It's the Carnal that is the Essential Nature and 2.2 Billions of Earthly Christians don't want to give up their Carnal Nature. This is what ensures the divisions.

Who or what is to blame? The creator of man and the Christian religions? If not, then who?

What can fix this 2000 year flawed tradition of sin?

Galatians 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Killing is Carnal Activity and that's why Christians affirm that it is Moral and Justified to do so.

Go you ever think God really messed up his creation?

 

[F1fan]

Your Progressive green new deal lead to Biden begging the U.S.hating authoritarian governments of Iran, Russia, and Venezuela for more production of oil, while cutting off U.S. oil.

First, the war in Ukraine has resulted in oil futures spiking, which was going up anyway as the planet's many economies were ramping back up after the pandemic. Let's note China has gone on lockdown due to Covid and this means there will be more supply shortages and more inflation. And Biden has issued many drilling permits since his inauguration. Plus there are thousands of permits that oil companies have not acted for for various reasons, so not Biden's fault. And Biden appealed to other nations to help offset the lack of oil from Russia, which in the USA is only about 3%. But since oil is a global commodity the demand globally will affect all users of oil.

The war has meant a suspension of green policies, and that is just sound leadership. Leaders need to be flexible and adapt to the changes nationally as well as globally, and Biden has been doing it. Gas prices have stabilized and even come down from the initial spike.

I mean that makes a lot of sense. Pay Russia for their oil so they can buy weapons from Germany and France, who did not abide by the UN sanctions, to kill and rape Ukrainians.

This is not a true claim.

Purchase solar batteries from China so they can ramp up their persecution of their Western Muslims. The self righteous woke seem to rely on the Marxist governments of Venezuala and Russia to provide the dirty oil for the world.

So you are critical of all out previous presidents for compromising on the politics of nations that can deliver things the USA needs for its economy? Then you don't buy those products. But be aware that both Democrats and Republicans disagree with you here.

Yeshua's message to the world, was the kingdom of heaven, which according to Matthew 13:39-42, is the gathering of those who "commit lawlessness", to be tossed into a "furnace of fire", and to prohibit any survivors of the nations, who lie, murder, or commit immorality from coming into the gates of Jerusalem (Rev 22:15), whereas the woke think letting out the liars, murders, and immoral onto the streets is a good idea.

I think your type of Christian is way off base about what Jesus taught. You Christians still live in the real world, and even you acknowledge it here by being concerned about the left wanting to left weed smokers out of prisons. If you were really focused on your afterlife life then why care about what happens on earth in reality life? Make up your mind where you want to be. Can't have it both ways.

I am fine with the "woke" turning in their cars and planes and walking instead, but for myself, I have a business to run which requires heavy transportation.

No "woke" person is saying you are wrong for your use of trucks. The problem is driving 2 miles for cigarettes and cookies instead of walking or riding a bike. Work off those cookies before you eat them. Many folks just don't care.

I use solar appropriately, in the role of backup power, not life or death power. As for how things work, it is the devil's spawn, the liars of the world, who are the fascist/Marxist/socialist, who deny open debate, and burn books, and promote false narratives, and seem unable to self inspect.

Well it's a good thing no American politicians are facsist/Marxist/socialist, so you can focus your hatred on those other nation's governments.

But do Sweden and Denmark are the devil's spawn and liars for being democratic socialists? Or are you strictly speaking of socialist nations like the old Soviets? Even China isn't really socialist any more. So explain what you mean.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know that the Jews have been continuously judged by God for their "abominations" but I am not aware of "abortions" being "performed" in the "temples". Is this a Talmud thing, or can you cite an actual verse from the Torah? As for the final judgment of Jacob, which included Judah, that is called "Jacob's distress" (Jeremiah 30), that has not been completed, and is followed by the "complete destruction" of the nations/Gentiles (Jer 30:11). Judgment day is coming (Joel 2:31-32 -Joel 3:2), and confessing one's sins, is a little shallow, if one doesn't also repent of their sins. The "nations" will be plagued with their skin falling of the bodies while they stand, often referred to as radiation poisoning (Zechariah 14:12). I don't know, it might be best to "repent". (Mt 3)

This is not an abomination. it is a process that appears to be approved by God. You really should read your Bible some day.

EDIT: Oh, I see what amounts to an admission that one either did not read the Bible or did not understand it. Have you ever heard of "The test of an unfaithful wife" It is in the Bible in numbers. If one reads it without bias it clearly tells of a man taking his wife who he believe cheated on him. It is a very very serious test. One key thing is that it says "There were no witnesses". You would need to think how could a man know that his wife cheated on him if there were no witnesses? Then read the text:

. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 5:11-29 - New International Version

Drinking something that causes a miscarriage is a chemical abortion.

 

[2ndpillar]

Well it's a good thing no American politicians are facsist/Marxist/socialist, so you can focus your hatred on those other nation's governments.

I don't know, Bernie is in fact a lover of communism, and had his wedding in Communist Soviet Union. AOC is basically a Marxist/fascist, who does not want free speech, and rails against the new owner of Twitter. Biden is a Progressive in terms of actions. Everyone knows the policies of the present administration is socialist/Marxist in the form of increasing the power of the executive and supporting the General Motors 48 produced electric cars over the Tesla over 1 million electric cars, because GM is a labor union company, whereas he suggests giving a $4500 bonus per car sold to GM, and none to Tesla. Not that any should receive any supplemental payment. The military arm of the Progressives is BLM, who is lead by Marxist trained leaders, whose aim is to burn down the system.

 

[F1fan]

I don't know, Bernie is in fact a lover of communism, and had his wedding in Communist Soviet Union.

Sanders is a Democratic Socialist. It's basically like any other Americans politician but is interested in a deeper balance of fairness in services and wealth. He is still hugely popular in the USA.

AOC is basically a Marxist/fascist, who does not want free speech, and rails against the new owner of Twitter.

She is a young person with a lot of awareness of what is coming to the planet in the near future. Her future is on the line and she represents her generation and even younger people. These young folks are facing huge costs to clean up the mess of prior generations. Yeah, they want to get started cleaning up now. Right wingers still deny climate change, even thought it's happening.

Biden is a Progressive in terms of actions.

Current realities of the USA and the planet requite any responsible leader to be progressive. We need to make progress in many areas of our nation.

Everyone knows the policies of the present administration is socialist/Marxist in the form of increasing the power of the executive and supporting the General Motors 48 produced electric cars over the Tesla over 1 million electric cars, because GM is a labor union company, whereas he suggests giving a $4500 bonus per car sold to GM, and none to Tesla.

None of that is socialist or Marxist. This is recognizing that oil is too unpredictable and electric will allow the USA more energy independence. That is progress.

The military arm of the Progressives is BLM, who is lead by Marxist trained leaders, whose aim is to burn down the system.

None of this is accurate or true. BLM is an indecent civil rights rights organization, and it's notable that the right still struggles with their racism and acknowledging minorities have equality and freedom.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Galatians 4:4-5

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.


1) Given that you have received Water Baptism Unto Repentance and Laying on of Hands, you are a member of the Universal Roman Catholic Church.

2) Certainly the latter. Righteousness is made Under the Law. The Son of Elohim/God is made Under the Law.

@Redemptionsong You have never been Under the Law, therefore, you don't Really know Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ or have the Holy Spirit.

You're beginning to sound like Jim Jones!

You don't have to have been under the Mosaic law to believe in Jesus Christ as Saviour.

Did you not know that Jesus was born under the law, but that he ministered through the Holy Spirit?

Scripture says, 'He came unto his own, and his own received him not.' So, who was it that openly received Jesus by faith? Romans 11:11. 'I say then, Have they [the Jews] stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.'

 

[Redemptionsong]

I never said that King David did not exist. The point was that there is no reliable evidence that David wrote those Psalms. And there probably evidence against it. Your article did not help you. At best it was evidence that he existed. Nothing more.

The use of the Psalms in Jewish festivals and worship prove that the Psalms are of ancient origin, going back to the time of Solomon and David.

Why would Jesus have quoted Psalm 22 from the cross? Two of the four Gospel writers record his audible cry, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The use of the Psalms in Jewish festivals and worship prove that the Psalms are of ancient origin, going back to the time of Solomon and David.

Why would Jesus have quoted Psalm 22 from the cross? Two of the four Gospel writers record his audible cry, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

No, sorry, but you don't know that. There is no history of that . All that you have is the Bible. You do not have any outside soruces. You ae using rather extreme circular reasoning.

 

[Elihoenai]

And what does that mean? Use facts.

Fundamental Level or Essential Nature is what something actually IS. Its State of Being or Mode/Form of existence. This is in plain English to understand.

Too bad God set up a bad and flawed system. If God wanted people to be (whatever you think they should be) righteous then why did God create them so easily tempted and make righteousness so difficult?

Elohim/God created a Perfect System where there is Freedom of Choice to Obey or Disobey him. I will give other members on these forums time to think about the question posed before providing an answer. The answer is clear to me.

Do you think you are righteous, or above your fellow believers who can't stop sinning? Have you stopped sinning?

The difference between me and others like me to the 2.2 Billions of Christians in Christendom is that I know I have not attained the Righteousness that Elohim/God demands. The 2.2 Billions of Christians in Christendom have the deluded belief that they are Saved. Yes, I stopped doing any External Sins many years ago. It's impossible for the members of the Universal Roman Catholic Church (all Protestants included) to stop Sinning because of the Nature of their beliefs.

And what is that?

It's a mystery that only the deserving find out.

Who or what is to blame? The creator of man and the Christian religions? If not, then who?

What can fix this 2000 year flawed tradition of sin?


Go you ever think God really messed up his creation?

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Your notion of Elohim/God is not the same as mine. Elohim/God created the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church to have Dominion over the Entire Earth. The Rule of the Universal Roman Catholic Church is Ordained by Elohim/God. The Carnal Church is a Church of Great Sinners having the Inverted Cross.

 

[Elihoenai]

You're beginning to sound like Jim Jones!

You don't have to have been under the Mosaic law to believe in Jesus Christ as Saviour.

Did you not know that Jesus was born under the law, but that he ministered through the Holy Spirit?

Scripture says, 'He came unto his own, and his own received him not.' So, who was it that openly received Jesus by faith? Romans 11:11. 'I say then, Have they [the Jews] stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.'

Exodus 12:1

12 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying,

Believing in Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ and Receiving the Holy Spirit are not arbitrary exercises. You have to meet the exacting requirements commanded by Elohim/God in every detail.

For example, Ethnic Jews are not actually keeping Passover because they don't practice according to every precise detail. As far as I'm aware, the Samaritans are the only people that practice the Passover near to every detail:

Samaritan Passover Samaria 2010

You must do works Under the Law of Moses and practice the Levitical Priesthood to believe in Yehsua Messiah/Jesus Christ, Receive the Holy Spirit and To Be Saved.

 

[Redemptionsong]

No, sorry, but you don't know that. There is no history of that . All that you have is the Bible. You do not have any outside soruces. You ae using rather extreme circular reasoning.

We know that the Psalms were in existence long before Jesus was crucified. So, what are you denying? That Jesus was crucified? That Jesus quoted from the Psalms?

 

[Redemptionsong]

Exodus 12:1

12 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying,

Believing in Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ and Receiving the Holy Spirit are not arbitrary exercises. You have to meet the exacting requirements commanded by Elohim/God in every detail.

For example, Ethnic Jews are not actually keeping Passover because they don't practice according to every precise detail. As far as I'm aware, the Samaritans are the only people that practice the Passover near to every detail:

Samaritan Passover Samaria 2010

You must do works Under the Law of Moses and practice the Levitical Priesthood to believe in Yehsua Messiah/Jesus Christ, Receive the Holy Spirit and To Be Saved.

You might just as well not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, or Saviour.

According to your theology, a person must continue to do works under the law. Faith does not appear to matter.

Why even seek the Holy Spirit if it makes no difference to your doing what is required under the law?

 

[Subduction Zone]

We know that the Psalms were in existence long before Jesus was crucified. So, what are you denying? That Jesus was crucified? That Jesus quoted from the Psalms?

Weren't you trying to use them as prophecy?

And no, we do not know that Jesus quoted from them. Your mistake was to assume that the Gospel account was accurate. You only have the claim of a Gospel writer that he quoted from that verse. Lastly even if he did: So what?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You might just as well not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, or Saviour.

According to your theology, a person must continue to do works under the law. Faith does not appear to matter.

Why even seek the Holy Spirit if it makes no difference to your doing what is required under the law?

Not necessarily. One of the worst of all false beliefs is that of "once save always saved". It assumes that a person can never sin again and yet some of the worst sinners are some of the worst of all Christians. If one truly is saved it will be shown in works. They will not have to do it on purpose. If one is a Christian one's works are a good indication of if they are saved.

 

[F1fan]

Fundamental Level or Essential Nature is what something actually IS. Its State of Being or Mode/Form of existence. This is in plain English to understand.

This is why science can be relied upon and religion cannot. Science defines things accurately while religions do not. So if you use religious references they are likely untrue and carry non-factual assumptions.

Elohim/God created a Perfect System where there is Freedom of Choice to Obey or Disobey him. I will give other members on these forums time to think about the question posed before providing an answer. The answer is clear to me.

It is not clear objectively or factually. You are referring to religious concepts and non-factual assumptions, so your claims here are rejected.

The difference between me and others like me to the 2.2 Billions of Christians in Christendom is that I know I have not attained the Righteousness that Elohim/God demands. The 2.2 Billions of Christians in Christendom have the deluded belief that they are Saved. Yes, I stopped doing any External Sins many years ago. It's impossible for the members of the Universal Roman Catholic Church (all Protestants included) to stop Sinning because of the Nature of their beliefs.

Logical fallacy, argument from popularity. But your way of thinking Hinduism and Islam are also true because millions and billions believe them. Is that what you mean to do, that Hinduism is true because there are millions of believers?

It's a mystery that only the deserving find out.

Who convinced you of this?

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Your notion of Elohim/God is not the same as mine. Elohim/God created the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church to have Dominion over the Entire Earth. The Rule of the Universal Roman Catholic Church is Ordained by Elohim/God. The Carnal Church is a Church of Great Sinners having the Inverted Cross.

So you are admitting that different people have different interpretations of what God is? OK, what makes you think you got it right and all those who believe differently are wrong?

Present your facts and a coherent argument.

 

[2ndpillar]

None of this is accurate or true. BLM is an indecent civil rights rights organization, and it's notable that the right still struggles with their racism and acknowledging minorities have equality and freedom.

Well at least we can agree that "BLM is an indecent" "organization", apparent intent on collecting money in order to increase the number of high priced homes they own. The national socialist of the 30s, the men of HItler, collaborated with the Progressives of the US Roosevelt administration in using the Democratic Jim Crow policies to be used on the Jews in Germany. BLM is simply another faucsit/Marxist organization, whose goal is to "burn it down", with regards to the capitalist system, except in terms of them owning high end housing.

 

[2ndpillar]

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Your notion of Elohim/God is not the same as mine. Elohim/God created the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church to have Dominion over the Entire Earth. The Rule of the Universal Roman Catholic Church is Ordained by Elohim/God. The Carnal Church is a Church of Great Sinners having the Inverted Cross.

The Roman church was established by the "beast with two horns like a lamb" to "deceive" those "who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13). That beast was Constantine who in 325 A.D. convened the Council of Nicaea to set the central dogma for this church of the empire. According to Daniel 7:25-26, that entity will prevail for time, times, and half a time until it is "destroyed forever". You seem to me mixing up the "Lord God", with the beast, the false prophet, and the dragon, whose dominion end is quickly approaching.

 

[F1fan]

Well at least we can agree that "BLM is an indecent" "organization",

That was a typo via autocorrect. I meant independent. They are a good civil rights activist organization doing work to advocate for the civil rights of black citizens. And of course you are opposed to this. Do you think your religion can save you ftom racial prejudice?

apparent intent on collecting money in order to increase the number of high priced homes they own.

There is a case of property being bought for use to house needy people but it does seem like a poor choice of property. And this was done by one person. It doesn’t undermine the purpose and advocacy to end racism in the police and society.

The national socialist of the 30s, the men of HItler, collaborated with the Progressives of the US Roosevelt administration in using the Democratic Jim Crow policies to be used on the Jews in Germany.

False. The usa and politics had prejudice against Jews just like much of the rest of the world. Once the Nazis extermination happened it shined a light on those who had even minor prejudice against Jews, and the congress passed a law that made any immigrants seeking asylum from danger being allowed in. Of course it is republicans who dont want to allow southern immigrants in wven if they have valid asylum claims. There is your modern US prejudice. FDR was an economic progressive but not a racial progressive.

BLM is simply another faucsit/Marxist organization, whose goal is to "burn it down", with regards to the capitalist system, except in terms of them owning high end housing.

Just false and highly prejudiced.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Not necessarily. One of the worst of all false beliefs is that of "once save always saved". It assumes that a person can never sin again and yet some of the worst sinners are some of the worst of all Christians. If one truly is saved it will be shown in works. They will not have to do it on purpose. If one is a Christian one's works are a good indication of if they are saved.

There was no mention in my post of 'once saved always saved'. It's clear from scripture that a person can return to the world, just as a dog can return to its vomit.

You would do well to read the following link to better understand the case that is made for the NT, based on documentary evidence.

The Hub - Session 4: The Documentary Evidence

 

[F1fan]

There was no mention in my post of 'once saved always saved'. It's clear from scripture that a person can return to the world, just as a dog can return to its vomit.

What does it mean "to return to the world"? Are you not in the world?