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Are You a Racist?

PureX

Veteran Member
Being racist is not the same as being A racist. A racist buys into the innate superiority and inferiority of people they don't know based on their race. Being racist is just the effect of having been raised within or by a racist system.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
No one is saying the attraction itself is racist, jeez. It's the reasons why they're attracted. If you can't see the racism in it, I don't know what to tell you, but it's there.

Attraction is precisely the opposite of repulsion.

Attraction to someone of a different race in no way comes anyway near the definition of racism. You however entitled to your opinion.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Attraction is precisely the opposite of repulsion.

Attraction to someone of a different race in no way comes anyway near the definition of racism. You however entitled to your opinion.
You just don't know what I'm talking about. It's not a matter of opinion. Viewing people as nothing more than a stereotype is racism and it is dehumanizing. I don't know how you can't see that, but oh, well.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
You just don't know what I'm talking about. It's not a matter of opinion. Viewing people as nothing more than a stereotype is racism and it is dehumanizing. I don't know how you can't see that, but oh, well.

I am talking attractiveness, not stereotyping. And as i said, to let someone into your body requires something more than racism.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I am talking attractiveness, not stereotyping. And as i said, to let someone into your body requires something more than racism.
We're just talking past each other at this point, and I don't know what else to tell you. I told you what I was referring to. Have a good day.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Ok, I don't see sexual attraction as racist, it may have a distasteful scent to it but i wouldn't consider it hatred or prejudiced

It's not necessarily racist, in and of itself. However, just the fact that someone might date or have relations with someone of another race would not automatically be considered evidence of non-racism.

Also, I would suggest that not all racism is necessarily "hatred." Sometimes it can be just the opposite, yet still just as racist.

My grandparents, for example, were from a racist generation and born at a time when racism and white supremacy were considered mainstream thought. But not outright hatred. For my grandparents, their racism came more in the form of pity, as if they somehow believed black people had some kind of unfortunate affliction. They would say things like "it's not their fault they were born that way" and "they can't help it."

If someone said something like that in today's world, they'd probably get skewered and lambasted as racists, but back in my grandparents' day, that was what passed for liberalism.

Of course, liberalism has changed considerably, but I've heard some complaints that white liberals can sometimes have a certain "messianic" complex which still carries an underlying presumption of white supremacy. It's like Joe Biden's comment directed towards blacks "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black." As if to say "I'm the only white guy you can trust." Lesser of two evils, but it can still be considered racist, even if perceived as more innocuous and not quite so malignant as some of the more hateful rhetoric out there.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
It's not necessarily racist, in and of itself. However, just the fact that someone might date or have relations with someone of another race would not automatically be considered evidence of non-racism.

Also, I would suggest that not all racism is necessarily "hatred." Sometimes it can be just the opposite, yet still just as racist.

My grandparents, for example, were from a racist generation and born at a time when racism and white supremacy were considered mainstream thought. But not outright hatred. For my grandparents, their racism came more in the form of pity, as if they somehow believed black people had some kind of unfortunate affliction. They would say things like "it's not their fault they were born that way" and "they can't help it."

If someone said something like that in today's world, they'd probably get skewered and lambasted as racists, but back in my grandparents' day, that was what passed for liberalism.

Of course, liberalism has changed considerably, but I've heard some complaints that white liberals can sometimes have a certain "messianic" complex which still carries an underlying presumption of white supremacy. It's like Joe Biden's comment directed towards blacks "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black." As if to say "I'm the only white guy you can trust." Lesser of two evils, but it can still be considered racist, even if perceived as more innocuous and not quite so malignant as some of the more hateful rhetoric out there.


Not always hatred but bigotry an prejudice.

I think maybe the sticking point is from different countries viewpoints. Yes there are racists right across Europe, who seem to see racism as different from America.

Example, while the US was enduring race riots the uk was enjoying sit coms taking the urine out of racial bigotry.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I don't care,. That's what you read like
Because you're not bothering to read what I said! And I'm mixed myself so how stupid would it be if I said it's racist to be attracted to another race? Obviously that's not what I'm saying! For the last time, I'm talking about people fetishizing others due to racist stereotypes. You see the same thing with chasers who fetishize trans people, and that's transphobic. How you're totally misunderstanding that, I have no idea.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Not always hatred but bigotry an prejudice.

I think maybe the sticking point is from different countries viewpoints. Yes there are racists right across Europe, who seem to see racism as different from America.

Example, while the US was enduring race riots the uk was enjoying sit coms taking the urine out of racial bigotry.

You make a good point here, although I'm far less familiar with how this issue is approached from a European standpoint.

We had our sitcoms, too, such as "All in the Family."

One thing that might be mentioned is that the sexual revolution came along at around the same time the Civil Rights Act and other landmark reforms were being made (such as the repeal of miscegenation laws). So, interracial dating soon became a prevalent topic on the talk shows and TV movies, as well as sitcoms. But for whatever reason, there were still a lot of people who had a negative attitude about it. My grandmother once said "I hope you never marry a black girl." I asked "Why not?" and she said "Because it would mess up the race." I didn't really press her for clarification at the time, and there probably wouldn't have been any point anyway.

On the other hand, there are also those who wanted to defy such attitudes and maybe wanted to make some kind of political point. But then, considering how sexualized society was becoming - more and more on movies and even TV, as well as a burgeoning porn industry, somehow - things got confused.

It doesn't account for everyone out there, and the bottom line is that humans can and will be sexually attracted to each other. It's a natural, biological process - something in our jeans, I think.

The fetishization might be more cultural and seems to be rooted in various racist sub-cultures which have since been discredited but still tend to be floating around out there.

It doesn't mean that everyone does it (and most probably don't), but it does exist.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I hate rap & hip hop, so I'm an uber double plus racist.

I've encountered those who believe that some dislike of rap and hip-hop is rooted in racism, but that it's dependent on how they express their dislike. There's a history behind it, with certain racist attitudes and fears regarding music produced and performed by black musicians. I recall reading an old diatribe about the "evils of jazz."

I'm not really much of a fan of rap myself. I don't think it's horrible or anything, and sometimes it might sound pretty decent. But I never really got into it or followed it closely enough to know that much about it. I know some people who like it, and that's fine for them.

I'm not really a big fan of classical music or opera either, but that has nothing to do with how I might relate to their country of origin.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I've encountered those who believe that some dislike of rap and hip-hop is rooted in racism, but that it's dependent on how they express their dislike. There's a history behind it, with certain racist attitudes and fears regarding music produced and performed by black musicians. I recall reading an old diatribe about the "evils of jazz."

I'm not really much of a fan of rap myself. I don't think it's horrible or anything, and sometimes it might sound pretty decent. But I never really got into it or followed it closely enough to know that much about it. I know some people who like it, and that's fine for them.

I'm not really a big fan of classical music or opera either, but that has nothing to do with how I might relate to their country of origin.
I'm also a racist cuz I dislike Hamilton.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
It's based on racist stereotypes such as:
black men all have huge ****s, are animalistic and hypermasculine, whereas white men are the opposite
East Asian women are all submissive, love to please men and are not uppity like Western women
black women are hypersexual

Etc.

These people are racist. I've known people like that.

I've seen a lot of that where I live, too: stereotyping of white Western women as promiscuous, objectification of Asian women, fetishization of blondes, etc.

I consider that a form of racial prejudice. Putting someone on a pedestal or objectifying them due to race is still racism even if it sometimes includes glorification or fetishization of certain traits they have (or are assumed to have).
 
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