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Are you an atheist? if so, What is your POV about God?

Sonofason

Sonofason

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Again, you have no knowledge whatsoever as to how life begins. Therefore, you cannot predict with any probability the possibility of life beginning on other planets.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

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Evangelicalhumanist said:
Very funny. Daniel, of course, was written long after the Bible suggests it was, and that makes "prophecy" so much easier, doesn't it?

I wonder if you'd care to examine what you've written. If, as you say, "the evidence isn't meant for you," then what you are also saying is that "what God wants me to know, God doesn't want you to know." Why, therefore, would you think that to be true? Do you like a God that doesn't play fair, and will condemn someone for His own unfairness anyway? I certainly wouldn't.
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The prophesy of Daniel was written 300 years before the coming of Christ. Your claim is false. If it is true, prove it.
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Are you unaware of what you yourself wrote?
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I wrote it. I'm aware.

You said that there are those who have defined God, and those who have not -- and that the latter have no business having an opinion. Okay -- I define "God" as an 85 million pound pumpkin that condemns all blond Americans to instant death. Then I look around and decide, "nope, none of that happening."

But I am powerless to say anything about your definition of God -- because you do not provide one. Okay, I will accept your "definition" (or rather lack of any), as meaning "God defies definition, is unknowable, unprovable and unobservable." And I will agree with you. But in my view, anything that defies definition, is unknowable, unprovable and unobservable does not -- in any meaningful way down here where I live --exist in any what that has meaning for me.

Now, if you suppose that God is knowable, provable and observable -- then I would expect you to be able to say at least SOMETHING about His nature. And that, I'm sorry to have to tell you, is the ONLY thing that IS relevant.
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Not to anything I said, though. I'm arguing strong atheism.

And I doubt you will actually provide a meaningful answer
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When it's the topic, I might.
 
Segev Moran

Segev Moran

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Sonofason said:
Again, you have no knowledge whatsoever as to how life begins. Therefore, you cannot predict with any probability the possibility of life beginning on other planets.
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I Do have a lot of knowledge...
Yet it is not complete...
Based on what I do know today, and what I knew 100 years ago... the probability is going up.
 
Deathbydefault

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Segev Moran said:
Nothing can be ALMOST absolute...
Its like saying I almost flipper heads on a flip coin... you almost.. yet you didn't...
So its almost absolute.. yet it is not.
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My certainty isn't almost absolute.
I am absolutely certain that my previous claim is true.
But because of the factors that my certainty is built off of, I can't say I'm right and back it up wholesale.
So it is therefore a type of absolute certainty, I call it a level of absolute certainty.

If certainty comes in stacking sets of 20, with 80-100 being absolute certainty and 100 itself being maximal certainty, I rest at 85.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
ArtieE said:
If one person says your shoes are on the shelf and another person says your shoes are in the kitchen any particular reason why if you don't believe the first person you have to believe the second one? If one person says gods exist and another says they don't any particular reason you have to believe the second person if you don't believe the first one?
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This might be a language thing. You would both not believe the shoes were there, and also believe that the shoes aren't there. It's the same thing.
 
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Segev Moran

Segev Moran

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Deathbydefault said:
My certainty isn't almost absolute.
I am absolutely certain that my previous claim is true.
But because of the factors that my certainty is built off of, I can't say I'm right and back it up wholesale.
So it is therefore a type of absolute certainty, I call it a level of absolute certainty.

If certainty comes in stacking sets of 20, with 80-100 being absolute certainty and 100 itself being maximal certainty, I rest at 85.
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Okay.. so you are 85% percent sure...
That's very much other than Absolutely sure.
Can I ask what are the missing 15%?
What would you need to prove in those 15% so you are 100% sure?
 
Deathbydefault

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Segev Moran said:
Okay.. so you are 85% percent sure...
That's very much other than Absolutely sure.
Can I ask what are the missing 15%?
What would you need to prove in those 15% so you are 100% sure?
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So I take it you have little to no understanding of what I am saying to you.
I could probably find a few Matt Dillahunty lectures on this to help you out, if you want.

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I should say that you aren't far off, 85% is still absolute certainty to me because 100% certainty only exists in word play.

The 15% is lost within the lack of factual evidence, along with other scenarios that may or may not be plausible and have yet to be disproved.
 
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psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Sonofason said:
I have 66 books, written by 40 different authors over a 1500 year time period who with remarkable consistency describe historical and future events with great precision and accuracy. Archaeological discoveries are continually verifying the accuracy of the historical and cultural references in the Bible, proving the veracity of the Bible. The more they dig, the more it is confirmed. Scientists, geologists, astronomers, physicists and mathematicians are continually and unwittingly showing that the record as recorded in these books is accurate and true.

All of the authors of each of the books of the Bible describe with absolute consistency the nature of this being that they all refer to as God. It is abundantly clear from reading these texts that they all believed that what they were writing was true.

There are more than 300 specific prophecies contained in the Old Testament that predict and describe the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is well documented within the pages of the New Testament, that these prophecies have been fulfilled.

There are many other prophesies contained in the Bible which point to a future time which appear to me to be describing events that are happening today in our time.

I have experienced God. I have put this book to the test, and I have been rewarded for it. I have no doubt that God exists. I have no doubt that the Bible is true. I have no doubt that the future events as described in the Bible will come true. I have no doubt that the Messiah is coming. And I have no doubt that it will be very soon.
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Ok then, thanks for your effort, but all I see really is biased opinions, and I certainly don't believe in any second coming, I don't even believe that he was ever here, except in a story.
syncretic said:
It's ironic that you would try to ''tell'' me what or why the difference with atheism to theism is, when I was never a 'Christian'. I am more familiar with atheism than you are, my friend.
/the only difference being I was never an ''explicit'' atheist, ie never actually taking the ridiculous position of asserting that there is no deity, etc. So, although I was never an atheist, some would have labeled me an agnostic atheist or something. oy vey.


This might be a language thing. You would both not believe the shoes were there, and also believe that the shoes aren't there. It's the same thing.
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Fare enough, but lets face it, is there really a god ?.:rolleyes:
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
syncretic said:
I think the wording is a bit wrong there. If he noticed a ufo etc or aliens landed, then he would 'know' for his own position on it
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Not necessarily. UFO's and aliens are not absolute indications of existent life on other planets. There are other possibilities for their existence if they should actually exist.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Sonofason said:
Again, you have no knowledge whatsoever as to how life begins. Therefore, you cannot predict with any probability the possibility of life beginning on other planets.
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That is quite incorrect. We know a lot about the nature of life and we have a fair idea of how it likely arose.

Calculations about the odds of life arising somewhere else are of course tentative, but not meaningless.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
syncretic said:
That's true, but I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make.
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You had said,
syncretic said:
If he noticed a ufo etc or aliens landed, then he would 'know' for his own position on it
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and then I said,
Not necessarily. UFO's and aliens are not absolute indications of existent life on other planets. There are other possibilities for their existence if they should actually exist.
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If indeed my response was true, as you said, how can you not know the point I was trying to make? If indeed you see aliens and UFO's and there is a possibility that they are not from another planet, how indeed would he 'know' for his own position anything about the probability of life existing on other planets?
 
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