Are you capable of Loving Unconditionally????

[Orias]

I believe people should discover God without the middle man guiding your way.

Middle men are kind of hard to avoid, since we learn from eachother and ourselves at the same time.

 

[Bird123]

I'm not capabile of loving unconditionally, but I'm confused, isn't god the child who set the fire?

Supposedly your son set the fire.

 

[Orias]

how so?

Well another person conditions another person to love them, be it "unconditional" or "conditional" love.

Really, a mother does not love her child until it exists, just as a boy may not love another girl until he discovers her existence. Practically anyways, people may think that loving the idea of such a thing is loving it, but its not really the same thing, since it does not exist at the moment.

The same goes for hate.

 

[Bird123]

Even though it is remote that someone's child is going to burn up his or her entire family, I can answer.(I am not saying it couldn't happen and wouldn't happen, just that it is improbable as it is a pretty rare event) But, the way I see it, anger is not the same as hatred. And I would be angry if any child of mine would commit cold blooded murder. But whether I would still love the person, that is impossible to answer without it actually happening. I can't imagine stopping loving my children, but...

OK, I understand that. Let's all be glad that such things are rare.

 

[Bird123]

The ideal is wanting the best for them. In that sense I wonder if unconditional love means loving who someone is or who someone can become.

I think you have it when you say you want the best for them. That would be the best they could become. Can one say that someone who burns up children can't be better??? I think not.

 

[Bird123]

No. I think unconditional love means not putting conditions on people you love.

call me strange.

It's talking about not placing conditions that determine whether you love them or not. It has nothing to do with loving them enough to interact and do what is best for them. If you do nothing when someone you love is killing, how much love is there really?? not much!!

 

[Bird123]

No. I think unconditional love means not putting conditions on people you love.

call me strange.

How about not putting conditions on them that determine whether you love them or not. Interaction is something you would do if you loved them at all.

 

[Orias]

It's talking about not placing conditions that determine whether you love them or not. It has nothing to do with loving them enough to interact and do what is best for them. If you do nothing when someone you love is killing, how much love is there really?? not much!!

Thats not really unconditional love, a better example would be to look at the animal kingdom.

Unconditional love in a sense is apathy, by which the moment in which you are embracing is "love". A mother cat "unconditionally loves" her kittens until they reach a mature stage and are able to survive on their own. Yet they will most likely always remember each other and celebrate if they ever cross paths.

Essentially there can be nothing done to break this except for death, but even the individual left behind still possesses the memory.

 

[McBell]

Well another person conditions another person to love them, be it "unconditional" or "conditional" love.

What do you mean?
I am not trying to be difficult, honest.
I am just not understanding what you mean here.

Really, a mother does not love her child until it exists, just as a boy may not love another girl until he discovers her existence. Practically anyways, people may think that loving the idea of such a thing is loving it, but its not really the same thing, since it does not exist at the moment.

Now you have just lost me.
I am getting the impression that you are speaking from a PoV that has some information that I am in possession of.

The same goes for hate.

 

[Bird123]

Middle men are kind of hard to avoid, since we learn from eachother and ourselves at the same time.

Venture into undiscovered country. See what is really out there. It's being done every day. If God exists, shouldn't you be able to find God???

 

[McBell]

If God exists, shouldn't you be able to find God???

Being able to and actually doing are two completely different things.

 

[CaptainBritain]

Nope, im not capable of unconditional love, love its give and take, if its give, give, give or take, take, take, you are either being abused or the abuser.

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[Bird123]

Thats not really unconditional love, a better example would be to look at the animal kingdom.

Unconditional love in a sense is apathy, by which the moment in which you are embracing is "love". A mother cat "unconditionally loves" her kittens until they reach a mature stage and are able to survive on their own. Yet they will most likely always remember each other and celebrate if they ever cross paths.

Essentially there can be nothing done to break this except for death, but even the individual left behind still possesses the memory.

I would like to think with mankind's greater intelligence that it must be much more. We are surely smarter than cats. Don't make me question that with your next response.:run:

 

[Bird123]

Being able to and actually doing are two completely different things.

It's all a test of intelligence. If you assume it can't be done, haven't you already lost .

 

[Orias]

What do you mean?
I am not trying to be difficult, honest.
I am just not understanding what you mean here.


Now you have just lost me.
I am getting the impression that you are speaking from a PoV that has some information that I am in possession of.

Maybe this will work...

Basically, what I am trying to say is that love is something that occurs during the moment that the initiative is directing this feeling toward an object. Love does not exist until the object being "loved" has been interacted with.

Unconditional love is more of an idea than an actuality, ultimately making "love" substantiated to a determined and/or assessed object.


But loving an object and an idea are two different things. But still, love describes interaction, because you can't love something you have never heard of or interacted with, mind wise.

 

[Bird123]

Nope, im not capable of unconditional love, love its give and take, if its give, give, give or take, take, take, you are either being abused or the abuser.

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Everything you give will return in time. Patience. Now if you allow others to abuse you then you don't love them enough to do what is really best for them. Got to help them stop.

 

[Orias]

I would like to think with mankind's greater intelligence that it must be much more. We are surely smarter than cats. Don't make me question that with your next response.:run:

Cats don't pollute the Earth with green house gases, cats don't threaten overpopulating the Earth, cats don't prejudge intetions, and ultimately cats don't kill each other, unless of course it is two males competing for dominance, which death is still rare upon that occurance.

It seems that every animal besides humans do what they need to survive without doing any unneccesary damage or conflict.

Did you know that the overpopulation of jellyfish around Japan is threatening the ocean life around it?

Its not because jellyfish naturally produce this much, but constant fishing over fishing of areas means that eventually fishermen will start catching jellyfish, when jellyfish get caught they release their reproductive fluids into the ocean and spawn more jellyfish, and then fishermen go out and catch more jellyfish. The pattern should be obvious, if you fail at something, reconsider and try a new approach, don't try the same thing again.

Being "intelligent" is far more misleading than it sounds.

 

[McBell]

It's all a test of intelligence. If you assume it can't be done, haven't you already lost .

Ah.
That makes more sense.

 

[McBell]

Maybe this will work...

Basically, what I am trying to say is that love is something that occurs during the moment that the initiative is directing this feeling toward an object. Love does not exist until the object being "loved" has been interacted with.

Does this directing have to be intentional or even conscience?

I ask because I know several people who fall in love with another person and are completely oblivious to it until it is pointed out.
And some times they go into complete denial about it.

Unconditional love is more of an idea than an actuality, ultimately making "love" substantiated to a determined and/or assessed object.


But loving an object and an idea are two different things. But still, love describes interaction, because you can't love something you have never heard of or interacted with, mind wise.

Like people who are in love with an idea of a person (I.E. prince charming) and when they find someone who "fits" into their idea they transfer their love for the idea onto the one they think "fits" said idea.

Or am I off into left field?

 

[Riverwolf]

I am keeping my reply to the same level of extreme as the one I replied to.
Seems to me they are claiming that one cannot disown someone and still love them.
It is as though they are completely unfamiliar with the concept of "Tough Love".

Well, I fail to see it.