Are you capable of Loving Unconditionally????

[Bird123]

Well slightly different. My question was more about God but you're on the same track as me

To answer your question I developed the idea that most relationships are measured on the basis of a pain and pleasure scale. Continuous pain will cause an individual to cease all relationships with the object or objects that enduce the discomforting feeling. So while a mother or father is capable of loving their offspring without conditions "initially" the only reason why humans gravitate and love things is because there is a positive benefit. Whenever that benefit is jeopardized in a severe fashion there is a retraction of feeling any retraction whether minute or great, contradicts the unconditional feeling.

Hmmmmm??? You must not know true love. True love survives it all. No amount of discomfort will stop that. Chemistry is the glue that bonds true love together. It must be God's way of keeping people together through some hard lessons. My wish is for everyone to experience true love in their lifetime. Even through the toughest times, it is glorious!! I have known true love, however lung cancer has taken her from me. She never even smoked. Even though she is not with me, she will never ever really be gone. True love stays with you.

 

[Bird123]

Maybe the mother knew best for the fetus, and it was out of love that the mother chose abortion.

WE are all spiritual beings in our true natures. We aren't installed until after birth when long term memories are possible. As for a mother choosing abortion as an act of love, isn't it always no more than a selfish act??

 

[Storm]

WE are all spiritual beings in our true natures. We aren't installed until after birth when long term memories are possible. As for a mother choosing abortion as an act of love, isn't it always no more than a selfish act??

No. Sometimes, it's best for everyone.

 

[Tristesse]

WE are all spiritual beings in our true natures. We aren't installed until after birth when long term memories are possible. As for a mother choosing abortion as an act of love, isn't it always no more than a selfish act??

We're all selfish at some level. But I could also see some instances where abortion is actually the best option.

 

[Bird123]

Thats the thing though, those who point only guarentee what is already answered, those who point most oftenly don't even know which direction they are pointing, because in the fabric of the Universe, there is no "left, down, right, up", there is just what is.

And people don't like that, because the pointers have led them to believe that they are something bigger and better than what they actually are.

It doesn't really matter what direction. What is important is that the knowledge is out there. WE all choose our direction toward discovery. Granted, those pointing might be pointing at nothing but it's up to each of us what we choose to learn. This world would never work right if people weren't allowed to share that which is special about themselves. Everybody wants to rule the world is mankind's greatest problem. Freedom makes everything advance much faster. That's why God grants everyone their freedom to choose.

 

[Bird123]

No. Sometimes, it's best for everyone.

Children are a gift from God. One never knows the value of that package. Perhaps the best way to prevent abortion is to be responsible. Don't want kids?? Don't have sex. Can it get easier than that???

 

[Storm]

Children are a gift from God. One never knows the value of that package. Perhaps the best way to prevent abortion is to be responsible. Don't want kids?? Don't have sex. Can it get easier than that???

That's what we call "oversimplified."

 

[Tristesse]

Children are a gift from God. One never knows the value of that package. Perhaps the best way to prevent abortion is to be responsible. Don't want kids?? Don't have sex. Can it get easier than that???

And sometimes god sends that gift through forceable rape. The "don't have sex" idea sometimes is easier said than done.

 

[Bird123]

We're all selfish at some level. But I could also see some instances where abortion is actually the best option.

Well if the child is badly deformed, I could understand, yet one can never know the miracle that could be wrapped up in that child. Without that view, It would be hard to do. I guess a badly deformed child might be the only case for me.

 

[Tristesse]

Well if the child is badly deformed, I could understand, yet one can never know the miracle that could be wrapped up in that child. Without that view, It would be hard to do. I guess a badly deformed child might be the only case for me.

What about Rape? What if having the child would result in the mothers death? The abortion isue is not nearly as black and white as most people would like to make it.

 

[Bird123]

That's what we call "oversimplified."

You are right. There will always be people who don't act responsibly. Maybe that's where all those lessons that follow will teach. WE learn by doing.

 

[Bird123]

And sometimes god sends that gift through forceable rape. The "don't have sex" idea sometimes is easier said than done.

Indeed, there are many variables out there in every situation.

 

[Tristesse]

Indeed, there are many variables out there in every situation.

What if a mother who never planed on ever having children was raped? Should she be forced to carry on the burden of having that child. Having children is not for everyone.

 

[Bird123]

What about Rape? What if having the child would result in the mothers death? The abortion isue is not nearly as black and white as most people would like to make it.

Yes, there are many variables to consider in every case.

 

[Tristesse]

Yes, there are many variables to consider in every case.

You do realize that the majority of abortions that take place are not just purely for the mothers entertainment? They have valid sometimes life saving reasons, right? I hate how abortion is painted as this extremely wrong thing, when infact, in a lot of cases it's the best option.

 

[Tristesse]

Also, god is all for abortion. I mean the number of miscarriages far out ways the number of abortions. God is the most prolific abortionist of all time, if he exists.

 

[Bird123]

What if a mother who never planed on ever having children was raped? Should she be forced to carry on the burden of having that child. Having children is not for everyone.

I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. Sometimes wonderful things can come from the adversity that we don't expect. I met this lady who had four children. She said all her children were accidents. She went on to say that having those kids were the best thing she ever done. Having children not for you???? You never can be sure until you do. Children often teach parents just as much as parent teach children. Kids make life Grand. This is the very reason we all exist today. God feels the same way.

 

[Storm]

So, we only exist to breed like rabbits?

 

[Bird123]

You do realize that the majority of abortions that take place are not just purely for the mothers entertainment? They have valid sometimes life saving reasons, right? I hate how abortion is painted as this extremely wrong thing, when infact, in a lot of cases it's the best option.

Abortion could never be considered entertainment for anyone. I do question your statistics. I may have to investigate this when I have time.

 

[Tristesse]

I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. Sometimes wonderful things can come from the adversity that we don't expect. I met this lady who had four children. She said all her children were accidents. She went on to say that having those kids were the best thing she ever done. Having children not for you???? You never can be sure until you do. Children often teach parents just as much as parent teach children. Kids make life Grand. This is the very reason we all exist today. God feels the same way.

Yes, some people are not expecting to have kids and love it, but again it's not for everyone. Trust me, I've met parents who never wanted children and still would have preferred it that way. And I've met parents who never should have had children. The octo-mom comes to mind.