Are you sad that I am going to hell, or have you pretty much come to terms with it?

[dust1n]

I do not believe that bad people go to hell and good people go to heaven. Rather, I believe that bad people create their own hell in this life through egotism or hatred or ignorance, what have you. And the ones who carry that spirit of love, through wisdom and a desire to understand (that spirit being the spirit of Christ), live and manifest their own heaven. Life is what you make it, right?

I'd like to think that we get pretty much exactly the amount of something that we put into it. Thanks! I think if one if a bad person, they will suffer some ramifications, especially socially.

 

[idea]

Like universalism? Like every will end up in heaven?

I'm not a complete universalist (although I believe God deals with more than just one group of people - that's the entire point of the Book of Mormon, that God talks to more than just the Jews) This life is not the only chance to come to meet God though, and I'm counting on a pretty big victory party at the end of it all. Watching someone go through a "change of heart" is the most joyful exciting part of it all imo, and in order to go through a change of heart - you have to start out on the flip side of it.

And I pray the Father in the name of Christ that many of us, if not all, may be saved in his kingdom at that great and last day.(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 33:12)

 

[idea]

I'd like to think that we get pretty much exactly the amount of something that we put into it.

I'm abundance minded - I think we all get much, much more than we put in. Put in a match, get out a bonfire... put in a smile, get devotion / adoration in return.

Emergence - the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.

 

[dust1n]

I'm not a complete universalist (although I believe God deals with more than just one group of people - that's the entire point of the Book of Mormon, that God talks to more than just the Jews) This life is not the only chance to come to meet God though, and I'm counting on a pretty big victory party at the end of it all. Watching someone go through a "change of heart" is the most joyful exciting part of it all imo, and in order to go through a change of heart - you have to start out on the flip side of it.

And I pray the Father in the name of Christ that many of us, if not all, may be saved in his kingdom at that great and last day.(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 33:12)

If I may ask, would this be an accurate statement?

"Reserved for the most wicked is what is known as Outer Darkness. Those that will be cast into outer darkness and eternal damnation are those who deny the Holy Ghost. They are called “Sons of perdition” and this is not a title I would consider lightly. I do not believe it belongs to your “average” sinner. These are the baddest of the bad; they know the goodness of God and still choose to rebel.

Those in the Telestial Kingdom do not accept Christ as the Savior in this world or the Spirit World. I would say these are “bad” people. As verse 103 says, “These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.”

Those in the Terrestrial Kingdom are good, decent people: people who are half-hearted, or complacent in their testimony. They are described as “honorable men of the earth who were blinded” and “not valiant in the testimony of Jesus.” (D&C 76:75,79)"

What Do Mormons Believe? » Life After Death – Part 2

I found here trying to catch up a little. I get the idea there is an eternal hell for really bad people. This person claims people who know the goodness of God, but rebel anyways. Is that so? If so, do you know what that might entail?

 

[dust1n]

I'm abundance minded - I think we all get much, much more than we put in. Put in a match, get out a bonfire... put in a smile, get devotion / adoration in return.

Emergence - the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.

Wow! I really hope you are correct. I'd consider myself half-hearted and complacent in my testimony, and blinded. Considering I'm expecting nothing, it would be awesome to get some cool place to dwell after being duly punished.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

I find it disturbing to think about, so disturbing that I can't dwell on it for long.

 

[Sha'irullah]

This bothered me in my Christian youth. I really did not care whether one went to hell or not and never gave much thought about the matter until later. But when I left and joined Islam I realized the emphasis on Jahannam/Hell. It then occurred to me that this ruined the logical nature of god.
God creates a religion in one language and creates thousands of other languages and reveals the correct path to only one man and people and expects all other to follow centuries later and throws the rest into Hell despite the fact they could not have possibly learned the "Correct Path".
This become illogical and without a doubt creates animosity towards other religions. What I find even more funny is how interreligious debates occur and each member (Christian and Muslim) believes the other party is going straight to hell yet talks so politely towards each other. Christianity and Islam claim to preach happiness and peace amongst your fellow man yet their scriptures advocate vengeance and eternal torture. I have known many good friendly Muslims and Christians but I am astonished by what they believe yet act so kindly towards others. I just do not understand how people rationalize this.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Christianity and Islam claim to preach happiness and peace amongst your fellow man yet their scriptures advocate vengeance and eternal torture. I have known many good friendly Muslims and Christians but I am astonished by what they believe yet act so kindly towards others. .

Stick around a bit. There's a few gunslingers around here

 

[dust1n]

I find it disturbing to think about, so disturbing that I can't dwell on it for long.

Thanks for adding, and I won't ask you to dwell or anything.

I am surprised though a little that no one feels its justified, well deserved even, something a long those lines. Or, perhaps they do, but they would rather not share.

 

[Shermana]

Thanks for adding, and I won't ask you to dwell or anything.

I am surprised though a little that no one feels its justified, well deserved even, something a long those lines. Or, perhaps they do, but they would rather not share.

Hey, didn't I imply that everyone's stay in Purgatory in between lives is justified?

 

[Sha'irullah]

Stick around a bit. There's a few gunslingers around here

Hold your horses Yul Brynner, not sure about the other 6 but you owe me an autograph .

 

[dynavert2012]

for sure i'm sad for those who will go to the hell specially if i know them in personal way and for sure i'm praying for them to see the truth and for sure i'm praying for myself too

 

[Straw Dog]

Perhaps the only people that go to hell are those who truly believe that some other people deserve to go to hell.

 

[dust1n]

Hey, didn't I imply that everyone's stay in Purgatory in between lives is justified?

Sorry, I meant eternal damnation. I'm assuming that is what was being referred to in the post I was responding too. I could be wrong.

 

[dust1n]

for sure i'm sad for those who will go to the hell specially if i know them in personal way and for sure i'm praying for them to see the truth and for sure i'm praying for myself too

Yes? Thanks of sharing. I'm not even sure I'd go about handling knowing that about someone.

Perhaps the only people that go to hell are those who truly believe that some other people deserve to go to hell.

Well, now that would just be ironic!

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Thanks for adding, and I won't ask you to dwell or anything.

I am surprised though a little that no one feels its justified, well deserved even, something a long those lines. Or, perhaps they do, but they would rather not share.

I think people who reject God should have to live with that decision. If the Christian God is real obviously plenty of people don't like the moral standard he calls them to. If that moral standard is indeed rational should they get off scot free? Certainly not. I have no problem with the enemies of righteousness, whoever they may be, reaping what they sowed.

 

[Sha'irullah]

I think people who reject God should have to live with that decision. If the Christian God is real obviously plenty of people don't like the moral standard he calls them to. If that moral standard is indeed rational should they get off scot free? Certainly not. I have no problem with the enemies of righteousness, whoever they may be, reaping what they sowed.

So I am an enemy even though I care little about Christians or any religion and just treat everybody as equal?

Wait I forgot, the Bible says
2nd John 1:9-11 "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works."

Obviously the Bible which is the word of Yahweh endorses bigotry and hatred. This would also lead to violence and chaos as well which would mean God is a being of violence. So obviously those "morals" don't sit well with a lot of people. But you condone violence and hatred yet you still claim that Bible has authority?
We are both going down a very slippery slope cowboy.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

So I am an enemy even though I care little about Christians or any religion and just treat everybody as equal?

Wait I forgot, the Bible says
2nd John 1:9-11 "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works."

Obviously the Bible which is the word of Yahweh endorses bigotry and hatred. This would also lead to violence and chaos as well which would mean God is a being of violence. So obviously those "morals" don't sit well with a lot of people. But you condone violence and hatred yet you still claim that Bible has authority?
We are both going down a very slippery slope cowboy.

The standard isn't: "treat everyone you meet the same". The standard is to: "love your fellow man, especially your enemies, like you love yourself". So you're telling me you've got that teaching down to a "T"?

 

[Sha'irullah]

The standard isn't: "treat everyone you meet the same". The standard is to: "love your fellow man, especially your enemies, like you love yourself". So you're telling me you've got that teaching down to a "T"?

I never said I perfected it. Being severely antisocial creates numerous problems with me and people so I am incapable of giving everybody the same love when I avoid them.

But even so, to love somebody and treat them like a dog correlates to the same issue. Actions speak exceedingly louder than the utterances that seep from your lips or the emotions you hold in your hearts.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Dust1n, there is a whole bunch of folks who believe they are going to heaven that just will not make it. There will be a bunch of folks who do make it that will be a surprise to everyone as well, thats how I see it.

As far as you personally, I have never gave up on you Son. Hey, you asked!