Thief
Rogue Theologian
and you believe God penned your scripture?
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Are you sure you are an Atheist?
- Thread starter Nefelie
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Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
He revealed it, it is way more accurate than man made documents. Qur´an remains pure and unchanged while still being the truth.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I heard the Muhamad got the reveal from an angel
I also hear that Moses got the word directly from God
and the Carpenter and God are as one......
And yet you decided to comment on it...
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
You play too much.
McBell
Unbound
I agree.
However, he does have a valid point.
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Not really.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Which Manchester? There are about 30-some of them.
McBell
Unbound
Actually, he does.
Marsh
Active Member
I've read parts of the Koran. It has all the ear-marks of a book produced by men. It is obvious to me, but I guess a person of faith has difficulty seeing it. I did read the book, Why I Am Not a Muslim, by Ibn Warraq. It is a fascinating read. I highly recommend it.
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
I challenge both of you to pick out an error in the Qur´an. If you do, i will accept your beliefs and convert.
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Not at all.
McBell
Unbound
you really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
I do not recall a unsuccessful comprehension by me. Anyhow, i challenge you and everyone on this forum to give me one error in the Qur´an. If they do then i will convert.
McBell
Unbound
You missed the point made by Thief
Already been done.
bold faced lie
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Which error? I do not see that as a error, but a misconceiving belief.
Marsh
Active Member
Three words? Not a very effective rebuttal, Jabar. If the Koran is what you claim then reading a work critical to Islam is not going to shake your faith. It will only make you a more effective debater. Personally, I think Ibn Warraq, a former Muslim, has written a stinging criticism that you may have great difficulty refuting. This, however, is off topic. I should desist.
Marsh
Active Member
I don't know Nefelie. I think if the divine were in me I would have a much better understanding of string theory.You are confusing Pantheism with Panentheism.
As a Pantheist, I believe that the universe it self is “god” (“divine” is a more appropriate word) AND everything in it. Including you
Oh, and one of the things I enjoy about these discussions is that I learn things. I had never heard of Panetheism.
That is a tough one. I have never had a sense of the divine, and quite possibly this figures strongly in my being an atheist. Does the god of the Pantheist seek worship? Is he even self-aware?Nefelie said:Try not to differ “god” from anything else. That’s the hard part. If you manage to grasp the idea that everything is divine, including yourself, then it is very easy to understand where this consciousness is ( = everywhere, starting from you), how does it affect the world ( = it IS the world and it is affecting it the same way you do), and so on.
Give it some thought
Marsh
Active Member
Christians say the same thing of the Old and New Testaments, but they are full of errors all the same. I hear the Koran has errors as well, but you'd have to read works critical of Islam to discover this.