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[Subduction Zone]

Your myth is: In the beginning nothing and then, God can we borrow some of the things you created, we need to do some experiments.

Sorry, now you are guilty of using a strawman argument. I can show how you are doing so. You probably won't let yourself learn.

You have no reliable evidence for your myths. Only fear. Now your fear is well justified from according to your past. But that does not make your current behavior correct. As long as you live in fear there is always a chance of going back to your old lifestyle.

 

[ElishaElijah]

If that's what you believe.

I just don't believe you.

Don’t care

 

[ElishaElijah]

Sorry, now you are guilty of using a strawman argument. I can show how you are doing so. You probably won't let yourself learn.

You have no reliable evidence for your myths. Only fear. Now your fear is well justified from according to your past. But that does not make your current behavior correct. As long as you live in fear there is always a chance of going back to your old lifestyle.

Look outside, we are here and all Creation declares the Glory of God and is testifying against you.
Strawman? If you don’t believe in God then in the beginning there was nothing. Then nothing happened.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Don’t care

Well, you must care at least somewhat. You're on a religious debate forum.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Look outside, we are here and all Creation declares the Glory of God and is testifying against you.

This is called circular logic.

Strawman? If you don’t believe in God then in the beginning there was nothing. Then nothing happened.

That's actually not true. As far back as we can possibly examine, the Universe existed as a singularity that was not subject to any of the laws of physics as we know them, so it is quite possible that there never was "nothing".

 

[McBell]

What is that you don’t understand?

Actually, it is painfully obvious that it is you who fail to understand.

You flat out admit that you can not possibly make us understand because your god himself prevents it and yet here you STILL are trying your damnedest to thwart your gods will...

I mean, your egotism is literally clean clear off the charts....

 

[ElishaElijah]

Well, you must care at least somewhat. You're on a religious debate forum.

I care about you just not what you think about me.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Actually, it is painfully obvious that it is you who fail to understand.

You flat out admit that you can not possibly make us understand because your god himself prevents it and yet here you STILL are trying your damnedest to thwart your gods will...

I mean, your egotism is literally clean clear off the charts....

I can’t but God can, I can lead you to water but you’re going to have to drink.

 

[ElishaElijah]

This is called circular logic.


That's actually not true. As far back as we can possibly examine, the Universe existed as a singularity that was not subject to any of the laws of physics as we know them, so it is quite possible that there never was "nothing".

There was never nothing, God is eternal. What I said was if you don’t believe in God then there was nothing for you.

 

[McBell]

I can’t but God can, I can lead you to water but your going to have to drink

Except you are not leading anyone in this thread to water.
You are chasing them away like an old fisherman's wife brandishing a broom...
Here is another piece of information for you to brush aside to further demonstrate my point:

AUGUSTINE on Biblical Misuse

"It is a disgraceful and dangerous thing to hear a Christian,presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on topics non-Christians know from reason and experience.

"If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him trying to support his foolish opinion from the Bible, how are they going to believe the Bible on the important matters of faith when they think the Bible is full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?

"Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on us all when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of the Bible.

For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion."
​

[From John Taylors, Ancient Christian Writers, The Words of the Fathers in Translation, no. 41 New York: Newman Press, 1982, vol. 1, pp. 42-43]

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[ElishaElijah]

Except you are not leading anyone in this thread to water.
You are chasing them away like an old fisherman's wife brandishing a broom...
Here is another piece of information for you to brush aside to further demonstrate my point:

AUGUSTINE on Biblical Misuse

"It is a disgraceful and dangerous thing to hear a Christian,presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on topics non-Christians know from reason and experience.

"If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him trying to support his foolish opinion from the Bible, how are they going to believe the Bible on the important matters of faith when they think the Bible is full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?

"Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on us all when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of the Bible.

For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion."
​

[From John Taylors, Ancient Christian Writers, The Words of the Fathers in Translation, no. 41 New York: Newman Press, 1982, vol. 1, pp. 42-43]

​

That’s funny! And that supports your view that God is evil because he considered Lot righteous. That because God considered Lot righteous that He condoned and agreed with every decision Lot made in his life? Nope Lot was considered righteous because of his relationship with God and probably glad the angels saved him from going through with the offer. By the angels interceding much like God did for Abraham and Isaac when they said their wives were sisters, God condoned none of that.

 

[McBell]

That’s funny! And that supports your view that God is evil because he considered Lot righteous.
That because God considered Lot righteous that He condoned and agreed with every decision Lot made in his life? Nope Lot was considered righteous because of his relationship with God and probably glad the angels saved him from going through with the offer. By the angels interceding much like God did for Abraham and Isaac when they said their wives were sisters, God condoned none of that.

You just can not stop yourself from bearing false witness, can you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Look outside, we are here and all Creation declares the Glory of God and is testifying against you.
Strawman? If you don’t believe in God then in the beginning there was nothing. Then nothing happened.

LOL! I could say the exact same about the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You have to ask yourself why your God planted endless false evidence (in other words you are claiming that he is lying) that tells us that Genesis is not true. And no, your strawman of how the universe as we know it began is simply wrong.

And you really need to drpe the term "strawman". You clearly do not understand the term or how to apply it properly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You just can not stop yourself from bearing false witness, can you?

Biblical literalism forces that on believers.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Except you are not leading anyone in this thread to water.
You are chasing them away like an old fisherman's wife brandishing a broom...
Here is another piece of information for you to brush aside to further demonstrate my point:

AUGUSTINE on Biblical Misuse

"It is a disgraceful and dangerous thing to hear a Christian,presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on topics non-Christians know from reason and experience.

"If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him trying to support his foolish opinion from the Bible, how are they going to believe the Bible on the​

You just can not stop yourself from bearing false witness, can you?

You just can not stop yourself from bearing false witness, can you?

How so? Isn’t that what you communicated?

 

[ElishaElijah]

LOL! I could say the exact same about the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You have to ask yourself why your God planted endless false evidence (in other words you are claiming that he is lying) that tells us that Genesis is not true. And no, your strawman of how the universe as we know it began is simply wrong.

And you really need to drpe the term "strawman". You clearly do not understand the term or how to apply it properly.

It is properly used, you take some examples in Scripture and apply those without understanding and falsely apply Gods character to those.
And yes, if you say there is no God then you start with absolutely nothing and go from there. That’s your beginning.

 

[McBell]

How so? Isn’t that what you communicated?

I have not made the claims you claim I made.
Thus you are bearing false witness.

Then to add insult to injury, you just keep moving on like nothing happened and continue to flat out lie about what I have posted.

 

[metis]

AUGUSTINE on Biblical Misuse

"It is a disgraceful and dangerous thing to hear a Christian,presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on topics non-Christians know from reason and experience.

"If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him trying to support his foolish opinion from the Bible, how are they going to believe the Bible on the important matters of faith when they think the Bible is full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?

"Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on us all when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of the Bible.

For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion."
[From John Taylors, Ancient Christian Writers, The Words of the Fathers in Translation, no. 41 New York: Newman Press, 1982, vol. 1, pp. 42-43]

This sorta reminds me of Luther's statement that just because a "milkmaid" now can read the scriptures doesn't mean she understands them. His point was that the "priesthood of all believers" has its limitations, thus there was still a need for theologically-educated bishops.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I have not made the claims you claim I made.
Thus you are bearing false witness.

Then to add insult to injury, you just keep moving on like nothing happened and continue to flat out lie about what I have posted.

You said God sanctioned what Lot did as he does slavery so what was my false statement?

 

[ElishaElijah]

I have not made the claims you claim I made.
Thus you are bearing false witness.

Then to add insult to injury, you just keep moving on like nothing happened and continue to flat out lie about what I have posted.

Do you believe God is evil or good? Moral or immoral?