ImmortalFlame
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Fair enough. For the record, I just think that you are wrong, not a bad person or anything.
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ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
But that's not true. I've just explained that.
Subduction Zone
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No, we show you the implications of your beliefs. You are not reasoning rationally when you make your various claims because your claims have consequences and you ignore those. I not only understand the Bible better than you do, once again my beliefs are not fear based, but I can also see the clear flaws in your beliefs. For example, though you will not let yourself learn how you do this, you claim that God is a liar. Of course to understand this a minimal understanding of the sciences would be necessary. You ran away when I tried to go over the basics of science with you.
And no, if one says "there is no God" that does not mean that one starts with nothing. That is a false dichotomy. The universe could have always existed in some form. And even worse you do not understand that time itself may have begun with the universe. Which would mean in a time sense that the universe has always been here. You do not understand anything about how the universe could have began so you have to distort the views of others. That is why you have a strawman. Your argument is not the argument of physicists.
ElishaElijah
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You cannot prove this, this is an assumption
ecco
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Fourth-graders can do cutsey responses. But you, supposedly, are an adult. Why can't you address the horrors of Numbers31:17?
The answer is that you cannot bring yourself to admit some of the evil things your God did/instructed. Your belief system is really fragile.
ecco
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People who believe in the Christian God your story is this: A fully formed Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent entity has always existed. Don't know how. Can't explain its origins. But there it was.
Then "In the beginning", this omni-all entity created the heavens and the earth. Then He created animals and plants and people. Shortly thereafter, He got so angry at His own creation that He horrifically destroyed almost all of it. Like a toddler who stacked up a few blocks and then knocked them down in a fit of pique.
Then, after the population grew again, He destroyed cities by burning them to the ground. All in the name of cleansing the population of evildoers. Hitler thought Jews were evildoers and he tried to cleanse the population of them.
Later He ordered the deaths of women and boys because their husbands/fathers tried to defend their country from invasion by His chosen people. He ordered the rounding up of the virgins and had them distributed among the victorious soldiers just like sheep and cattle.
WhattaGuy. Indeed a beacon of morality.
ElishaElijah
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Numbers 31:17 isn’t a difficult to explain and have no problem doing it but you’re not getting my response and I told you why.
McBell
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McBell
Unbound
No, I did not.
And this has been explained to you.
Yet here you are still flat out lying about it.
McBell
Unbound
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Oh my. Please learn how science is done We have very very strong evidence for this. It is not an assumption. And it is extremely foolish and ignorant to claim "assumption" when you do not even understand the basics of science. You would be making an assumption. Scientists are not allowed to do that. Do not make the mistake of thinking that others have your shortcomings.
Tell me, as a Christian are you supposed to obey the Ninth Commandment?
ElishaElijah
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I already answered that Lot is the one who made the offer.
That you are fixated on this little part in order to avoid the idea that God sanctioned it as he does slavery is on you, not me.
This is what you said, your words. So do you view God as Good and Holy or Evil? Moral or Immoral?
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I already answered that Lot is the one who made the offer.
That you are fixated on this little part in order to avoid the idea that God sanctioned it as he does slavery is on you, not me.
This is what you said, your words. So do you view God as Good and Holy or Evil? Moral or Immoral?
ElishaElijah
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You have no evidence except : God can we borrow some of the things you created to do an experiment?
What do we see? Like begets like just like Genesis says. Use all the fancy terms and 80 billion years and it’s still the same. Without God nothing happens or is sustained.
Subduction Zone
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LOL!! You do not even understand the concept of evidence. We do not need to play make believe to have evidence. All that one needs to do is to stop being afraid.
When you get over your fear perhaps we can have a conversation.
By the way, there is no need for fancy terms. I know. knowledge is very threatening to you People that know that they are wrong act the way that you do. Listen to Yoda:
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Actually, the evidence strongly suggests it. Prior to the big bang, the Universe (or, at least, all the matter that would eventually become the Universe) existed in a quantum state that was not subject to physical laws, including - potentially - time. So to say that not believing in God means that we must believe the Universe came from "nothing" is false. As far as science is currently concerned, we have no reason to believe there ever WAS "nothing".
ElishaElijah
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Common sense is your enemy. Abiogenesis says there were materials arranged in a certain way for life to happen, organize, be sustained and evolve into the whole Universe, all by itself. First off for those who don’t believe in God, where did any of the materials come from to begin with. In the lab trying to prove abiogenesis you will also have to eliminate the scientist from the experiment who is acting as a creator in the experiment.LOL!! You do not even understand the concept of evidence. We do not need to play make believe to have evidence. All that one needs to do is to stop being afraid.
When you get over your fear perhaps we can have a conversation.
By the way, there is no need for fancy terms. I know. knowledge is very threatening to you People that know that they are wrong act the way that you do. Listen to Yoda:
I will take God has life in Himself and the Genesis account any day. Fact is we are here on Earth living in an environment suitable for life that hasn’t been replicated anywhere in the Universe.
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ElishaElijah
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Sounds like this:
“The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”
Genesis 1:2 NKJV
Your comment is correct in the respect that there was never a time when there was nothing. God has always been.
Common sense tells me to not reason with certainty from
premises that are merely a guess. Some bad guesses....
- The number of gods. Why 1? Or 2? Or 3, etc?
- The powers of gods.
- What existed before the Big Bang.
- What existed & exists in addition to our universe.
- One religion is right, & the others aren't.
- Everything must have a beginning.
- God, Allah, or whoever has no beginning.
- That a book has The Truth.
Common sense tells me that one cannot just
presume things as known. One must become
accustomed to saying "I don't know".
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ElishaElijah
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There’s a lot I don’t know, my brain cannot comprehend how God has life in Himself and has been from eternity. The reality is we are here living in an ordered Universe. In my own experience and lifetime God has come into my life, has revealed Himself to me, has done for me what He said in the Scriptures. He has delivered me, given me His Spirit as a guarantee of His promise of eternal life through Jesus Christ.
We should not claim The Truth based upon feelings.
Adherents of different religions claim different truths,
yet they cannot all have the one inerrant "Truth".
Feelings are unreliable for discerning truth & facts.