Arming Teachers: A college students perspective

[Kangaroo Feathers]

If you want the kids to be as safe as possible, have trained officers on site.

Paid for by whom?

 

[Nakosis]

Paid for by whom?

Folks who think it's important to keep the kids safe.

 

[oldbadger]

If someone wants to kill people there are slews of other things to do it.

OK........ What other things?
Can we have some examples of 'mass killings' at schools where 'slews of other things' were used?

Whatever these 'slews of other things' might be, they need to be focused upion as well, and sorted.

I still think that all guns should be licensed, the licensing criteria being full-all-risks-gun-insurance, criminal record review, stability review, home security spec with gun safe + official approval.

You see? You can keep your rights, just show some national responsibility.

 

[oldbadger]

What happens if a teacher shoots and kills an innocent student by mistake in the chaos?

Oh..... you can bet that in a full-on attack at a school the chances of overshoot and other kinds of friendly fire could be shockingly high.
Adrenalin 'out-of-the-blue' can cause massive mistakles.

And then what will the country say about that poor teacher, who never really had any idea about how things might go down?

 

[oldbadger]

And if the shooter is not stopped what do you call it?

....the result of no common-sense control of firearm,s.
..... a stolen gun could be the result of inadequate gun-safe regulations.
........ the result of poor perimeter security and no adequate access control.
...... the result of no properly trained, selected security officers.
....... the result of very poor identification and services for socially dysfunctional children.


Thev list just goes on......

 

[oldbadger]

These are very pertinent questions to ask.....As I've said in another thread laws that help mitigate gun controls are not 100% .

Of course they aren't!
Crime reduction and deterrence seeks for percentages.
If good controls could reach a reduction in overall gun killings by 35% in five years that wiould be good, wouldn't it?
Imagine that, 30 to 50 lives saved each day by common sense mandatory, insurance, gun-safes, criminal record review, stability review, qualification even, before license approval.

And a gun amnesty for three months over the entire country could produce as many as hundreds of thousands of guns handed in (for any reason).

Every little bit helps, if you want folks to have freedom to live.

 

[oldbadger]

Paid for by whom?

Actually, I reckon that the nation needs to acquire a great big pot of cash for whatever proposals it chooses, and much of this could come from a proper licensing system with sensible fees.

All fees are just guesses........
Criminal record review............ $30
Stability review........................ $30
Home Crime prevention survey............ $50
Home crime prevention inspection......... $50
Gun Safety course....................... $300
Test & Qualification....................... $50
Resit fees.......................................$50
Licence for five years (?)................$50

etc........... They need to find enough to install decent perimeter security and quality access control x 50 thousand schools, or whatever that number was.

Every little bit helps....

 

[oldbadger]

Folks who think it's important to keep the kids safe.

Oh, well, that would be the entire nation I guess. No problem for acquiring cash, it's just a question of how to spend it efficiently.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Folks who think it's important to keep the kids safe.

Very thorough. Well done. Well I'm sure convinced.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Actually, I reckon that the nation needs to acquire a great big pot of cash for whatever proposals it chooses, and much of this could come from a proper licensing system with sensible fees.

All fees are just guesses........
Criminal record review............ $30
Stability review........................ $30
Home Crime prevention survey............ $50
Home crime prevention inspection......... $50
Gun Safety course....................... $300
Test & Qualification....................... $50
Resit fees.......................................$50
Licence for five years (?)................$50

etc........... They need to find enough to install decent perimeter security and quality access control x 50 thousand schools, or whatever that number was.

Every little bit helps....

If only there were a multi billion dollar white wall elephant somewhere in the system that could be scrapped and have the resources spent on schools.

 

[Nakosis]

Very thorough. Well done. Well I'm sure convinced.

Already being done. Turns out some people do believe the kids are worth protecting.

Florida deputies will carry rifles on school grounds after Parkland shooting

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Already being done. Turns out some people do believe the kids are worth protecting.

Florida deputies will carry rifles on school grounds after Parkland shooting

These are the same deputies who didn't actually engage the last shooter, right?

Sources: Coral Springs police upset at some Broward deputies for not entering school - CNNPolitics

 

[Nakosis]

These are the same deputies who didn't actually engage the last shooter, right?

Sources: Coral Springs police upset at some Broward deputies for not entering school - CNNPolitics

Doubtful, being as the deputy has been suspended, if you read the article.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Doubtful, being as the deputy has been suspended, if you read the article.

Deputies, plural, if you read the article. Either way, I think you may be missing my point.

 

[PureX]

I guess if it was important enough to keep those kids safe, they'd figure out to pay for it. Failing that, I'd suspect keeping the children safe just wasn't at the top of their list.

At least there's a pretty good chance for this one school.

Florida deputies will carry rifles on school grounds after Parkland shooting

The armed deputy they had there did nothing. So that didn't work, either.

 

[Phantasman]

OK........ What other things?
Can we have some examples of 'mass killings' at schools where 'slews of other things' were used?

Whatever these 'slews of other things' might be, they need to be focused upion as well, and sorted.

I still think that all guns should be licensed, the licensing criteria being full-all-risks-gun-insurance, criminal record review, stability review, home security spec with gun safe + official approval.

You see? You can keep your rights, just show some national responsibility.

I'm all for proving responsible gun ownership. Should be graduated as well, like the difference between a license between a semi and a small truck. The more damage capability the more training involved. To make armed forces go through basic training in gun use needs to be required of anyone wanting to own the same type weapons.

When I was in school, kids made pipe bombs out of tubing and gunpowder. An easy make even today. Ever heard of "zip guns"? Timothy McVey could have easily targeted a school instead. A terrorist can simply use a car to hit a full traveling school bus head on to complete mass murder. The Parkland terrorist had gas grenades in his arsenal.

The slews are there.,. The idea is to be proactive with whatever they do for school security, not reactive. This was my profession for 40 years. I engineered security measures for large buildings, including burglar, fire alarms, access control, camera's, intercom, nurse call, etc. etc. for one of the largest companies in the US. Many schools and other government contracts including nuclear.

I can only speak on the professional technology portion of prevention, not the political or the man labor enforcement.

 

[idav]

How about sensible terrorist control?

This is a decent point, it’s always kind of scary how vulnerable our schools are to terrorists. Bomb threats aren’t a new thing and there have been several threats in cities all over America of people threatening to target schools.

 

[oldbadger]

If only there were a multi billion dollar white wall elephant somewhere in the system that could be scrapped and have the resources spent on schools.

I'm back........
You've probably heard that pressure is building for some new gun controls.Anybody the NRA doesn't like is a coward.. It begins to look like a nutty organisation here, now.

And it's on the news that President Trump thinks that there might need to be some new gun controls, so the NRA has begun to distance itself from him.

Maybe something will happen, this time?

 

[oldbadger]

I'm all for proving responsible gun ownership. Should be graduated as well, .............................

By all means make it harder to acquire nastier guns.

When I was in school, kids made pipe bombs out of tubing and gunpowder. An easy make even today.

You just need to explain how/when anybody has used a bomb to mass-kill kids at school. Let's keep our focus on 50 school killinmgs in about 13 months, all committed with fasst-fire guns.

The slews are there.,.

I once observed a massive stash of cyanide crystals, a box room full of them overflowing in clear bags into a works area, at an electro-plating company situated by a London reservoir. The company building had no security whatever. I discreetly reported same to local police crime prevention officer, and guess what they did......... they just asked questions about me.
The US should stick to fast-fire guns or it'll be another 50 school shootings, quite soon.

The idea is to be proactive with whatever they do for school security, not reactive. This was my profession for 40 years. I engineered security measures for large buildings, including burglar, fire alarms, access control, camera's, intercom, nurse call, etc. etc. for one of athe largest companies in the US. Many schools and other government contracts including nuclear.

On RF your as good as the posts you write. True?

You were in a Trade, the installation of electronic deterrents and 'aid-calls' and a wider view of school security is needed than just those. The best devices on your list for this problem (imo) are probably access-control systems, which of course are useless unless the perimeter security of each school is very very good.

 

[oldbadger]

The armed deputy they had there did nothing. So that didn't work, either.

Do you think that all armed deputies would fail where one did?
Have we discovered how effectively that operative was selected, inducted, trained, prepared and retrained? What were his private circumstances?

If we dismissed 'all' because of one failure, we wouldn't do anything, surely?