Arming teachers is a great idea

[Audie]

Mea culpa...

I used to have this little .38 calibre Smith and Wesson
"lady smith" with brushed stainless steel, and rosewood
handles.

It had a sort of poisonous snake look to it,
beautiful and deadly.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Most people get hurt or killed when they hesitate in a potentially deadly confrontation. If you forcefully enter my home and I fell that you are threat to me or my family, then I do not want to reason with you, I do not want to know your name, I could not care less whether you had a nurturing childhood--I just know that if one of us walks away from this still breathing, then I plan on that being me. Thus you have lost your humanity to me and I plan on shooting you as many times dead center as it takes. Any other mindset in this situation almost guarantees that you are more than likely to be a statistic. Don't like it? Then don't break into my house.

I'm not looking at it from the perspective of a potential burglar; I'm looking it from the perspective who has a say in public policy and who's trying to decide whether people who feel the way you do should be trusted with weapons.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Soooo...how long were you in the security business? And how would this make a difference? BTW, my Grandmother always carried a little .22 pistol in her apron when she went to the door. She lived without fear by herself well up into her nineties. You have to be willing to defend yourself because help may never come in time.

Answering the door armed is not the behaviour of someone "living without fear."

 

[BSM1]

I'm not looking at it from the perspective of a potential burglar; I'm looking it from the perspective who has a say in public policy and who's trying to decide whether people who feel the way you do should be trusted with weapons.

Answering the door armed is not the behaviour of someone "living without fear."

You're not from around here, are you?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You're not from around here, are you?

I'm from a country with mostly sensible gun policy, so no.

 

[Audie]

I'm not looking at it from the perspective of a potential burglar; I'm looking it from the perspective who has a say in public policy and who's trying to decide whether people who feel the way you do should be trusted with weapons.

"We hold these rights to be inalienable"

The difference between a citizen, and a subject.

 

[Audie]

I'm from a country with mostly sensible gun policy, so no.

So from the sensible perspective of, say, a young
female confronted by a large male intruder, what
would you consider a good next move?

 

[oldbadger]

Nope, that's not what I said. I said if you shoot just to injure knowingly then you open yourself to legal problems.

Amazing! What a back-pace! You said that you should shoot to kill! And so if you should fail to kill then you are in the situation above..... according to you.
Amazing. Gobbledegook.!!

Now let's look at some more of your logic......

However if the thief walks into your home or business brandishing a weapon of any type he just became target, not human.

Is that the level of security you have provided for your home, that a thief can 'walk into your home'? And yet you're full of guns to shoot at him with?

If this is the case then the security provision for such a home is inept. It's ridiculous, imo.

 

[oldbadger]

So, you ask if it is murder, I say it is, and your
response is a facepalm? For yourself?

Of course it was murder. You just didn't understand tmy use of irony. Do you know what irony is?

Then you sidestep the thing about staging a murder
to look like self defense,

Wrong. I asked another member questions to show how ridiculous their ideas were. You just didn't comprehend what I was asking that member.
Please don't butt in between conversations with your crazy guesses about what I meant.

then you doubt that
people actually do break into others' homes
and threaten their lives?

Happens every 30 minutes in your safe sane
and defenseless country.

But you cannot tell me how you think that thieves break in to homes such as yours, can you....? What a laugh.
We have millions and millions of homes in my country, so one break in each 30 minutes is a remarkably low number of intrusions, if your googled figures are correct....

Now. how is this bad person going to get into your home, please?
You cannot answer, and I think I know why.

 

[oldbadger]

Being in the home security business for the last 30 years I can tell you how these intruders get into the premises. They usually kick a door in; and they have zero regards for you safety and/or your welfare.

What, intruder alarms? Is that your business? Please do tell me more. And if you want to talk professional security just do go ahead........ can't wait.
Ha ha! How pathetic! They kick the back door in? What useless back doors you must have. I can tell you that our Police, using massive two handed inertia drivers often cannot defeat many domestic back doors in the first two or three attempts, and thieves don't tend to carry these around.

What on earth is the property in your imagined dwelling that thieves are after if they need to try to smash their way into a domestic dwelling?

Your scenario is weird, really weird.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So from the sensible perspective of, say, a young
female confronted by a large male intruder, what
would you consider a good next move?

Run away? A knee to the groin? Depends on the circumstances.

Certainly not "run to the gun safe - which might involve running past the intruder - and remove the gun, load it, and get a line of sight on him so you can shoot him," since that would imply you had other less personally risky options available.

 

[oldbadger]

The fact that you see him as acceptable to kill doesn't make him "not human."

Other members talking about shooting people who walk in to US homes just shows the craziness of the situation. In the UK and probably your country as well, even armed police will call warnings so that all around know that they are armed, and that they will shoot if absolutely necessary. But these US posts make it look as if a US householder can just blaze away in panic, after doing nothing to secure their home at all.
No simple security, just...... guns!

 

[oldbadger]

Hey ..... @Kangaroo Feathers ........... thanks for the likeys.
They started mumbling about teachers coming to school with guns three or four years back after tragic school shootings. They're still mumbling about teachers coming to school with guns, after so many more tragic school shootings.

And I'll bet that they've done very little to really secure schools and other public premises since then.......... it's all just about more guns. It's like they're dreamers, imo.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hey ..... @Kangaroo Feathers ........... thanks for the likeys.
They started mumbling about teachers coming to school with guns three or four years back after tragic school shootings. They're still mumbling about teachers coming to school with guns, after so many more tragic school shootings.

And I'll bet that they've done very little to really secure schools and other public premises since then.......... it's all just about more guns. It's like they're dreamers, imo.

One has to go a little bit further than just arming teachers:

 

[Subduction Zone]

Rats, are images not loading again?

 

[Audie]

Run away? A knee to the groin? Depends on the circumstances.

Certainly not "run to the gun safe - which might involve running past the intruder - and remove the gun, load it, and get a line of sight on him so you can shoot him," since that would imply you had other less personally risky options available.

Right, all 46 Kg of me, take one one more men.
Outrun them round and round my flat.

The "run past" would be to attempt to get out the front door,
predoomed to failure.

As for open a gun safe, load and line of sight?

Nope. Gun stayed by my bed,loaded,
any running is to bedroom, with a door
that locks at a slam; I'd be behind the
bed with my cell phone and a gun
pointed at the door.

That is how it is done.

As noted with another from sensible land, you've
not thought this through.

 

[Audie]

Hey ..... @Kangaroo Feathers ........... thanks for the likeys.
They started mumbling about teachers coming to school with guns three or four years back after tragic school shootings. They're still mumbling about teachers coming to school with guns, after so many more tragic school shootings.

And I'll bet that they've done very little to really secure schools and other public premises since then.......... it's all just about more guns. It's like they're dreamers, imo.

Of course it was murder. You just didn't understand tmy use of irony. Do you know what irony is?


Wrong. I asked another member questions to show how ridiculous their ideas were. You just didn't comprehend what I was asking that member.
Please don't butt in between conversations with your crazy guesses about what I meant.


But you cannot tell me how you think that thieves break in to homes such as yours, can you....? What a laugh.
We have millions and millions of homes in my country, so one break in each 30 minutes is a remarkably low number of intrusions, if your googled figures are correct....

Now. how is this bad person going to get into your home, please?
You cannot answer, and I think I know why.

You do know that attempts at irony on a forum are
generally doomed to failure? Poe's law is kind of about that.

Getting into my current home would be very difficult.

Most houses or flat require no more than a good kick to
the doorknob, or a few seconds work with a pry bar.
What is with this thing about how nobody knows how
intruders could get in?

some attempt at snotty assumed superiority, most likely, that
being a kind of theme from a lot of you brits

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Right, all 46 Kg of me, take one one more men.
Outrun them round and round my flat.

The "run past" would be to attempt to get out the front door,
predoomed to failure.

As for open a gun safe, load and line of sight?

Nope. Gun stayed by my bed,loaded,
any running is to bedroom, with a door
that locks at a slam; I'd be behind the
bed with my cell phone and a gun
pointed at the door.

That is how it is done.

As noted with another from sensible land, you've
not thought this through.

If you're keeping a loaded, unsecured firearm in your house, then that introduces a whole other set of risks that, for the vast majority of people, outweigh any dubious safety benefits of having a gun.

 

[Audie]

If you're keeping a loaded, unsecured firearm in your house, then that introduces a whole other set of risks that, for the vast majority of people, outweigh any dubious safety benefits of having a gun.

In your opinion, no doubt. In the event,
I am not the vast majority.
And you are not trying to have it both ways,
secured is wrong, unsecured is wrong.

I trained in its use, and I was living alone.

So, wrong on that point, as with the rest
of what was in your previous post.

As I said, you've not thought any of this through,
as evidenced by the wildly inappropriate actions
you imagined someone taking.

 

[oldbadger]

One has to go a little bit further than just arming teachers:

Ha ha!
Your pic didn't open in your post, but when I opened it for a reply the picture then showed itself. Very strange.

But just imagine if a Robo-Guard's micro-processing system went wonky.......... yuk!