Arming teachers is a great idea

[BSM1]

But if you fail to kill when you shoot, then you're stuffed legally, according to what you tell us above, so can you shoot the person again to kill them to save all your money being taken in this law suit against you later? Or is that murder?

Fascinating stuff.....

No. If you can show your intention was to eliminate a perceive and possible threat to your life than the court does not award your marksmanship. This is the basis for the "Castle" laws in most states. In any case, I'll take my chances in court rather than risk being a victim. BTW, your idea or arming every one is not half bad.

 

[Audie]

Oh my god! I knew the system in this world was evil and oppressive, but it always shocks me every time i learn more of it.

Thats insanity.

Not at all. You are simply failing to think it through.

For example, it is not the business of the police
to execute people. The object of using firearms is
to incapacitate the perp. Make him not a threat.

They are taught to aim, center of mass. At that,
they generally miss a lot. An untrained civilina
under tremendous stress is going to reliably hit
a moving leg? Not just hit it, but breaking a bone
or otherwise dropping the person. Then of course,
there is the femoral artery to consider

Old dog there, as is his wont, made up a hypothetical
situation nor reflected in real life.

Crazy is taking the word of a unqualified internet
brit on now american law works.

 

[Audie]

But if you fail to kill when you shoot, then you're stuffed legally, according to what you tell us above, so can you shoot the person again to kill them to save all your money being taken in this law suit against you later? Or is that murder?

Fascinating stuff.....

You do that.

The detectives and forensic people, of
course, like to figure out the exact details.

You think you could quick quick figure out how to stage the scene and fool them?

In your fantasy world, maybe.

And btw of course it is murder.

 

[oldbadger]

No. If you can show your intention was to eliminate a perceive and possible threat to your life than the court does not award your marksmanship. This is the basis for the "Castle" laws in most states. In any case, I'll take my chances in court rather than risk being a victim. BTW, your idea or arming every one is not half bad.

You clearly mentioned that if you injured a burglar with a gun then you could be sued.

Yet very few US citizens seem to understand how 3rd party all risks gun insurance would work.

In any event, this 'protection of property' line causes me much wonderment. What property had you in mind, and how is this intruding thief getting in to the premises, please?

 

[oldbadger]

You do that.

The detectives and forensic people, of
course, like to figure out the exact details.

You think you could quick quick figure out how to stage the scene and fool them?

In your fantasy world, maybe.

And btw of course it is murder.

Of course it would be!
And I wouldn't be shooting to kill anybody in the first place.

And I wait in wonderment for somebody to tell me how this intruder actrually got in to the premises. Nobody has ever been able to describe how these folks succeeded in entering this property.

 

[BSM1]

You clearly mentioned that if you injured a burglar with a gun then you could be sued.

Yet very few US citizens seem to understand how 3rd party all risks gun insurance would work.

In any event, this 'protection of property' line causes me much wonderment. What property had you in mind, and how is this intruding thief getting in to the premises, please?

Nope, that's not what I said. I said if you shoot just to injure knowingly then you open yourself to legal problems. You have a decent amount of leeway when it comes to protecting yourself, but you don't a license to punish someone.

You can't shoot someone walking down the street with your tv; nor can you chase a thief down the street sand shoot him after he just held up your grocery store. However if the thief walks into your home or business brandishing a weapon of any type he just became target, not human.

 

[Audie]

Of course it would be!
And I wouldn't be shooting to kill anybody in the first place.

And I wait in wonderment for somebody to tell me how this intruder actrually got in to the premises. Nobody has ever been able to describe how these folks succeeded in entering this property.

So, you ask if it is murder, I say it is, and your
response is a facepalm? For yourself?

Then you sidestep the thing about staging a murder
to look like self defense, then you doubt that
people actually do break into others' homes
and threaten their lives?

Happens every 30 minutes in your safe sane
and defenseless country.

 

[BSM1]

Of course it would be!
And I wouldn't be shooting to kill anybody in the first place.

And I wait in wonderment for somebody to tell me how this intruder actrually got in to the premises. Nobody has ever been able to describe how these folks succeeded in entering this property.

Being in the home security business for the last 30 years I can tell you how these intruders get into the premises. They usually kick a door in; and they have zero regards for you safety and/or your welfare.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

However if the thief walks into your home or business brandishing a weapon of any type he just became target, not human.

The fact that you see him as acceptable to kill doesn't make him "not human."

 

[Audie]

The fact that you see him as acceptable to kill doesn't make him "not human."

That is quite true.

I have been treated as less than human, a piece
of meat to be used.

So there can be times when whether what is
attacking is a goon, ogre, bear, or human is
not the main consideration.

I do not think it is so much a case of "acceptable"
as the second worst choice ever, one you might
be forced to make, though.

 

[Audie]

Being in the home security business for the last 30 years I can tell you how these intruders get into the premises. They usually kick a door in; and they have zero regards for you safety and/or your welfare.

And often enough they enter via some deception, too.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I do not think it is so much a case of "acceptable"
as the second worst choice ever, one you might
be forced to make, though.

"Acceptable" accurately reflects what I inferred as @BSM1 's position. If this was a bad inference on my part, I trust he can say so himself.

 

[Audie]

"Acceptable" accurately reflects what I inferred as @BSM1 's position. If this was a bad inference on my part, I trust he can say so himself.

Fair is fair. Perhaps he will clarify.

 

[BSM1]

The fact that you see him as acceptable to kill doesn't make him "not human."

Most people get hurt or killed when they hesitate in a potentially deadly confrontation. If you forcefully enter my home and I fell that you are threat to me or my family, then I do not want to reason with you, I do not want to know your name, I could not care less whether you had a nurturing childhood--I just know that if one of us walks away from this still breathing, then I plan on that being me. Thus you have lost your humanity to me and I plan on shooting you as many times dead center as it takes. Any other mindset in this situation almost guarantees that you are more than likely to be a statistic. Don't like it? Then don't break into my house.

 

[BSM1]

And often enough they enter via some deception, too.

Soooo...how long were you in the security business? And how would this make a difference? BTW, my Grandmother always carried a little .22 pistol in her apron when she went to the door. She lived without fear by herself well up into her nineties. You have to be willing to defend yourself because help may never come in time.

 

[Audie]

Most people get hurt or killed when they hesitate in a potentially deadly confrontation. If you forcefully enter my home and I fell that you are threat to me or my family, then I do not want to reason with you, I do not want to know your name, I could not care less whether you had a nurturing childhood--I just know that if one of us walks away from this still breathing, then I plan on that being me. Thus you have lost your humanity to me and I plan on shooting you as many times dead center as it takes. Any other mindset in this situation almost guarantees that you are more than likely to be a statistic. Don't like it? Then don't break into my house.

In the event, it is meaningless semantics to worry
if the goon is a goon, or a ogre.

 

[BSM1]

In the event, it is meaningless semantics to worry
if the goon is a goon, or a ogre.

Not sure of your point...

 

[Audie]

Soooo...how long were you in the security. And how would this make a difference?

Simple, You've misoverinterpreted me as someone
else.

Certainly never been in the security biz, other than
in the limited sense of looking out for my own security.

 

[Audie]

Not sure of your point...

The green semi- bird seems to think that "acceptable"
is problematic in some way, I think I have been trying to
agree with you.

 

[BSM1]

Simple, You've misoverinterpreted me as someone
else.

Certainly never been in the security biz, other than
in the limited sense of looking out for my own security.

The green semi- bird seems to think that "acceptable"
is problematic in some way, I think I have been trying to
agree with you.

Mea culpa...