As I read the Quran, which parts should I ignore?

[Saint Frankenstein]

You're not Jewish, then..

No, I'm not. But almost all Jews would agree with me on that point.

 

[muhammad_isa]

No, I'm not. But almost all Jews would agree with me on that point.

What, that the Torah is abrogated? I think not..

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What, that the Torah is abrogated? I think not..

No, that they're not commanded to go around killing people and mistreating non-Jews.

 

[Union]

Mind you, I'm not using "propaganda" and "myth" in a negative fashion. Much of the Old Testament is the national epic of the Hebrew people. It contains their hopes, fears, triumphs and struggles. It's their worldview. I'm a Christian and the Old Testament is as sacred to us as it is to Jews. But you don't seem to understand the difference of how Christians and Jews view the Bible as compared to how Muslims view the Qur'an. They're two totally different things. Most Muslims I've spoken to fall into the same error.

Hi Frank. Your self-fashioned theological excuses did really no help in the fact that Bible propagates killing of innocent people with such a brutal way . Hence leave it for a Jew to take over you , so that you don't beat around the bush .

Sure, it does. It berates the Jews, Christians and non-believers. It takes Jewish and Christian mythology and makes it into a sort of hybrid. Arabic is deemed to be the most sacred language and the Qur'an is only viewed as "authentic" when it's in Arabic. Arabs have usurped the promises of the Jews by linking themselves to Ismael where the Jews traces themselves back to Isaac. Islam is a sort of Arab ethno-religion, similar to how Judaism is the ethnic religion of the Jewish people, which makes sense since Muhammad basically ripped off Judaism in a lot of aspects and focused it on his people.

Again your own thoughts... again and again... without bringing a single proof from Qur'an . In nowhere in Qur'an a single instruction came from Almighty GOD to do injustice to Non-Muslims , not a single . All those verses that hate mongers to Islam uphold is far away from doing injustice to Jews and Christians . Even if Muslim does crime and injustice Qur'an prescribed punishment for them.

 

[Union]

History contradicts your views as common people which took no part in wars were forced to pay the tax when their rulers went to war. So I could take no part in a war but since my king did I am now part of the group which pays the tax.

Qur'an delivered it messages , now its up to the people who take a heed or not . For thousand years Sunni and Shia shun the Qur'an aside and follow their own Hadith books , hence if their rulers do something otherwise , the blame in no way can go to the Qur'an .

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

No, that they're not commanded to go around killing people and mistreating non-Jews.

So you are saying Jews are disbelievers in the god of OT? Lol
Jews knows better than the god of ot?


You spoke the words of atheism.
If u are right, then jews should throw away torah... Because they dont believe the law of Moses to be truth and the only law.

As for us we believe in the shariah of our Lord, even though disbelievers may hate it. Iam sorry if Jews fear humans and that could be the reason why they dont Judge by the law giving to Prophet Musa aleyhi salaam.

As for us:
9:13
Do you fear them(Humans)? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

 

[Union]

So you are saying Jews are disbelievers in the god of OT? Lol
Jews knows better than the god of ot?


You spoke the words of atheism.
If u are right, then jews should throw away torah... Because they dont believe the law of Moses to be truth and the only law.

As for us we believe in the shariah of our Lord, even though disbelievers may hate it. Iam sorry if Jews fear humans and that could be the reason why they dont Judge by the law giving to Prophet Musa aleyhi salaam.

As for us:
9:13
Do you fear them(Humans)? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

Very logical argument .

 

[Godobeyer]

hi Godo!

Again, I'm curious to know what Muslims value and believe. So, in your example, where is it written down which Islamic values and beliefs ISIS is breaking? I can believe you if you say ISIS is not Islamic, but how do you know? I want to know what you think Islam is. You must have a definition of Islam if you can say ISIS is NOT Islam. Does this make sense?

I can't say ISIS members not Muslims , because they claim they are . only God knows .

for exemple if an American done crime by the name of US ,and most of Americans reject/deny that crime , is that make him non-American ?

Some Muslims considere them (ISIS) as non-Muslims because their crimes don't represent origine view of Islam .
I can say they breaking and damaging the rules of Islam ,as most of Muslims believe in .

for exemple yesterday ISIS behead Japoness captive "journalist" ,and even if he was a soldier in Islam it's forbiden to kill or harm captive or especially innocent .

eye for eye is personal issues , it's place in court .

 

[icehorse]

Hi Godo,

I mostly agree with what you said. But as I've said, the reason I started this thread is to try to figure out what Muslims believe and value. Sometimes people respond that it's unfair to generalize 1.6 billion people. Of course, I understand that that's true, except when they self-identify as followers of Islam, it would seem fair for the rest of us to understand what that aspect of their lives means.

The world has learned that Muslims cherish the Quran. Yet I can't get Muslims to tell me what the Quran teaches them. Sometimes we hear that Muslims also use the Hadith. But sometimes, if we mention the Hadith, we're told that only the Quran is valid.

After a couple years of doing this, it's hard NOT to conclude that Muslims are being deliberately evasive. Of course that does NOT engender much trust.

So, I'll keep trying to figure out what Muslims believe, and what they value...

 

[Shad]

Qur'an delivered it messages , now its up to the people who take a heed or not . For thousand years Sunni and Shia shun the Qur'an aside and follow their own Hadith books , hence if their rulers do something otherwise , the blame in no way can go to the Qur'an .

Slavery is justified in the Quran and also by the immediate successors to the Islamic state before there was Sunni or Shia.

 

[Shad]

No, alcohol was not declared illegal at first .. Allah is Wise, Aware of All things..

Quran 5:90 It is now Haram. So if Allah wanted to abolish slavery one verse was all that is required.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Quran 5:90 It is now Haram. So if Allah wanted to abolish slavery one verse was all that is required.

..and your point is?

You're very naive .. you think that you are more clever than Almighty God .. impossible!
EVERY ONE OF US is a slave to something/someone. There is nothing wrong with being subservient or having an employer .. but there IS something wrong with oppression!

 

[Shad]

..and your point is?

You're very naive .. you think that you are more clever than Almighty God .. impossible!
EVERY ONE OF US is a slave to something/someone. There is nothing wrong with being subservient or having an employer .. but there IS something wrong with oppression!

Point being that Allah made it forbidden when no such verse makes slavery haram. We have two concept, one which is forbidden and one that is not. A slave owner is not an employer, look up the definition of the word and it's practical use. Prove that I am a slave to someone or something.

I am more clever than the man who spouted out words attributed to God but not proven to be God's words. You may believe that it is but I hold no such view. Now run and hide behind your dogma.

 

[Union]

Slavery is justified in the Quran and also by the immediate successors to the Islamic state before there was Sunni or Shia.

Verse no. please !

 

[Shad]

Verse no. please !

Read the Quran. 90:13, 90:18. 56:27. 56:90, 56:91. 4:36, 56:90, 56:91, 4:92, 5:92, 58:3, 24:32, 24:33, 16:7, 2:221, 4:25.

Find me a verse which makes it illegal, forbidden or abolish the practice. Islam did reform slavery but never abolished it.

 

[Union]

Read the Quran. 90:13, 90:18. 56:27. 56:90, 56:91. 4:36, 56:90, 56:91, 4:92, 5:92, 58:3, 24:32, 24:33, 16:7, 2:221, 4:25.

Find me a verse which makes it illegal, forbidden or abolish the practice. Islam did reform slavery but never abolished it.

Are you playing game ? I checked randomly 6 verses ,5 are talking about something else while only 1 came with slavery and that is going against your claim :

[90:13] The freeing of slaves.

This verse is instructing to free the slaves .

 

[muhammad_isa]

Prove that I am a slave to someone or something.

What for?
I'm proud to be a slave .. but admit that I'm not 'owned' by anybody other than Almighty God..

If God can forgive me for my shortcomings, I would be quite happy to be somebody's slave in paradise .. I don't need to be the boss

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Actually, "salat not mentioned in the Quran" is not accurate. The Quran does tell us to perform salat more than once and one of the five prayers is mentioned in the description "the middle salat". The physically performed prayers, AKA salawt, are 5, a number that has a middle part. It also tells us to perform it with the verb "aqimu" which is derived from the noun "iqama", the short call to start prayer that comes after "adhan".

So I believe that the Quran does call for prayer "salat" but the details where delivered to us by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. I believe this is one proof that teachings of the Prophet is an important part of Islam, yet still comes in second place.

The five daily prayers in Islam
1 - came after difficult negotiations between God, the Creator of the universe and Mohammed creature of sperm ???
Prayers came in Flowers ???
One of the myths of Islam is very interesting ??
And where a lot of the myths ?
2. Prayer movements used by Muslim
Are the same that was worshiped by the people of Mecca idols Lat and Uzza and Manat the third ??
It movements of prayer pagan Arabs before Islam ???

 

[psychoslice]

I read the Koran years ago, I had an open mind as I read, but for some reason I got nothing out of it, there was something lacking, maybe love ?.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Actually, "salat not mentioned in the Quran" is not accurate. The Quran does tell us to perform salat more than once and one of the five prayers is mentioned in the description "the middle salat". The physically performed prayers, AKA salawt, are 5, a number that has a middle part. It also tells us to perform it with the verb "aqimu" which is derived from the noun "iqama", the short call to start prayer that comes after "adhan".

So I believe that the Quran does call for prayer "salat" but the details where delivered to us by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. I believe this is one proof that teachings of the Prophet is an important part of Islam, yet still comes in second place.

God's blessings on Muhammad ???
How does God pray to Muhammad ???
Is Muhammad is better than God ????
Prayer is the subordination of the lowest to the top ??
2. Second -mn gives salute
3. God gives salute to Muhammad ??
Is it permissible for this ???