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Some the questions being posed have a deep or simple answers. I doubt you will find the more deep in depth answers Quran gives to these questions from the OP. You are only going to get the superficial answers.

 

[MyM]

I take it you are shi'ite

 

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I take it you are shi'ite

Sort of.

 

[MyM]

Sort of.

What does sort of mean? lol

 

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What does sort of mean? lol

I don't believe in the religion as practiced by Shiite scholars today. I believe the religion is unknown till the Mahdi (a) revives it and brings it back. But I do believe in the Authority of the 12 Imams (a).

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If you read what I have been saying, I have not contradicted myself in any way. God's mercy yes, is here and will be shown. We take it upon ourselves to question God but in reality, why do we not question ourselves to be even able to question God.
You hear a message, over centuries have passed, the messages have come down and have been completed. Those who do good will have just rewards coming to them. Those who take it upon themselves not to acknowledge those messages, God will deal with them. People from the Bible, from scriptures have been dealt with by God. Jesus brought nothing new to the table. But when you hear those who preach God is love all the time, it's simply not cohesive with the scripture they are preaching. God does have a wrath and who are we to say He doesn't. Who are we to judge God? Who are we to put forth what we deserve on our terms and not His?

God is a Just God. But His mercy supersedes his wrath.

You are speaking, but you say very little.
You still have yet to explain how this god is supposedly merciful.
Now you also say that this god is just. Justice and mercy are fundamentally incompatible, as mercy is the suspension of justice.

So I can only ask again: what mercy? How does this manifest?

 

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You are speaking, but you say very little.
You still have yet to explain how this god is supposedly merciful.
Now you also say that this god is just. Justice and mercy are fundamentally incompatible, as mercy is the suspension of justice.

So I can only ask again: what mercy? How does this manifest?

I think God is most severe in retribution in proper place of it. And the most merciful and compassionate in the proper place of it.

The thing is they both have a proper place. Virtues usually are about application in the proper place and usually within a middle ground.

Going extreme in any virtue and it ceases to be. Misplace wisdom and wisdom becomes all over the place, a spaghettis mess.

Part of wisdom is to put everything in it's proper place.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

that is your belief so you can dwell in it.

You're the one with the mere belief here.

Monotheistic abrahamic religions were by far not the first religions.
This is historical fact, attested to by literally all evidence and contradicted by none.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

that is your belief and you can dwell on it and continue to deny...not my problem : )

He asked you what according to your understanding of islam should happen.
You refuse to answer the question.

I'ld like to know your answer as well.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am quoting hadith, it's not on me to make you believe in it. I quoted truth, you deny it. Not my problem to handle your disbelief.

In Islam, Allah talks about his mercy to mankind, gives a descriptive analysis of it.

May God guide you

So you don't understand it yourself?
You just repeat these words and are unable to explain them?

I repeat: how do you reconcile the idea that your god is merciful, with the belief that he'll have the vast, vast majority of humanity tortured in hell for not believing as he sees fit, eventhough most of these humans did so with the best intentions?

Where's the mercy?

Why can't you answer this simple question?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I think God is most severe in retribution in proper place of it. And the most merciful and compassionate in the proper place of it.

The thing is they both have a proper place. Virtues usually are about application in the proper place and usually within a middle ground.

Going extreme in any virtue and it ceases to be. Misplace wisdom and wisdom becomes all over the place, a spaghettis mess.

Part of wisdom is to put everything in it's proper place.

Another vague ramble with no answers.............................

Again: what mercy? How does this mercy manifest?

 

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Another vague ramble with no answers.............................

Again: what mercy? How does this mercy manifest?

The mercy is in that he tried to rescue people from hell in this world and sent them Messengers warning them, but in hell it's not about mercy, but about punishment and vengeance from God.

 

[Polymath257]

First of all, we are to worship how our Creator taught us. In doing this, you will be able to see the direction that is the most authentic to the belief in Islam.

It is taught that we are to follow explicitly the way our Creator taught us through the Quran and then the Sunnah. The Quran which is the words of our Almighty God and then the teachings of Mohammad, his last messenger and servant...they compliment each other. Example: Allah says to pray 5 times a day, and in learning how to pray there are the teachings from the messenger of Allah on just how to do it properly.

In saying this, the record of ahadith are kept genuine. There are ways to follow up on which is authentic and which are not.

In Islam, we are to not worship any other than Allah and to follow what he says and we are given strict instructions to follow Mohammad and his teachings.

There is proof to which is correct in Islam.

In Shia'ism, there are things that go against the Quran and Sunnah. Major disbeliefs. So we can say that the differences there are those who are not following the Quran and Sunnah. They are many sects that deviate from the true path of Islam. The ones who follow the correct path know that by no way they would believe against what the Quran and Sunnah have taught. In this, they have every right to refrain from such events and beliefs.

“O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination”
an-Nisa’ 4:59.


It is confirmed that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:

“The Jews split into seventy-one sects; one will be in Paradise (i.e., those who followed Moses) and seventy will be in the Fire. The Christians split into seventy-two sects; seventy-one will be in the Fire and one will be in Paradise (i.e., those who followed Jesus). And by the One in Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, this Ummah (nation) of mine will split into seventy-three sects; one will be in Paradise and seventy-two will be in the Fire.

It was asked, “Who are they, O Messenger of Allah?”

He (peace be upon him) said, “Al-Jama‘ah (i.e., the group which adheres steadfastly to the way of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and his Companions).”

Sorry, but this didn't address my point.

The origin of the dispute between Sunni and Shia is the succession of the caliphate. There were two claimants: Mu'awilla and Ali. That split between claims for the succession became the split between Sunni and Shia. The doctrinal disputes came later and were used to claim justification for one side or the other.

 

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@Polymath257 if you can contextualize Quranic verses, Ahlulbayt (a) are clear in Quran, the possessors of the Authority are clear in the Quran, if your heart becomes hard and allows the sorcery to make you misplace words in Quran way out of place and not allow you to see Quran holistically and flow in your heart, then Ahlulbayt (a) will not be very clear therein.

If you see Ahlulbayt (a) in Quran you can also witness the dark magic that makes people not see Ahlulbayt (a) in Quran despite how clear it is.

I hope that helps you.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The mercy is in that he tried to rescue people from hell in this world and sent them Messengers warning them, but in hell it's not about mercy, but about punishment and vengeance from God.

Ow?

Tell me, how are people judged, according to islamic doctrine, when they have never heared about Islam or any prophets?

I actually know the answer, but I want you to say it as it will show how it completely contradicts what you just said.


Having said that, you again missed the mark.
What you are talking about here, is your god giving warnings / threats.
Mercy is not giving warnings or handing out threats.

 

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Ow?

Tell me, how are people judged, according to islamic doctrine, when they have never heared about Islam or any prophets?
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They are Mustafeen (without power to have faith or disbelief), God says regarding them, they may not be punished and God is forgiving merciful.

 

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What you are talking about here, is your god giving warnings / threats.
Mercy is not giving warnings or handing out threats.

He is trying to save us from his wrath that we otherwise deserve.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

He is trying to save us from his wrath that we otherwise deserve.

Which isn't mercy.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

They are Mustafeen (without power to have faith or disbelief), God says regarding them, they may not be punished and God is forgiving merciful.

Exactly.

Meaning that what you claim his "mercy" is by giving us Islam, he is actually dooming people to being punished.

Meaning that all of humanity would be better of NOT hearing about it - as then nobody would have to be punished.

So the actual mercifull thing to do would be to keep silent!

And all this is also ignoring the absolutely absurd idea of him trying to "save us from himself".

If "saving us" means "not sending us to hell", then it would have been a LOT easier the simply remain silent, as mentioned previously and as acknowledged by you in your quote above.

Game. Set. Match.

 

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Exactly.

Meaning that what you claim his "mercy" is by giving us Islam, he is actually dooming people to being punished.

Meaning that all of humanity would be better of NOT hearing about it - as then nobody would have to be punished.

So the actual mercifull thing to do would be to keep silent!

And all this is also ignoring the absolutely absurd idea of him trying to "save us from himself".

If "saving us" means "not sending us to hell", then it would have been a LOT easier the simply remain silent, as mentioned previously and as acknowledged by you in your quote above.

Game. Set. Match.

This is not true. People immersed in injustice to each other and Shirk will be punished unless God saves us because we still know better. The act of sending Messengers is an act of grace.

The wording of Quran, is that they may not be punished, as in the won't be punished for not knowing the current Messenger. It did not say they definitely all will not be punished. Faith here I meant as in knowing the current truth and Messengers.

Polytheism is unforgivable because it's attributing God what we don't know and worse it belittles God.

Thus trying to guide humans so we don't die blind to his light, is an act of mercy.