Ask About Islam

[Spirit of Light]

I quoted you what Allah said.

“The believers, men and women, are Awliyaa’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another; they enjoin (on the people) Al‑Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do), and forbid (people) from Al‑Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden)”
al-Tawbah 9:71


There is a hadith which says, Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Whoever among you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand [by taking action]; if he cannot, then with his tongue [by speaking out]; and if he cannot, then with his heart [by hating it and feeling that it is wrong] – and that is the weakest of faith” Narrated by Muslim, 49
in saying that also there is this....
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Part of a person’s being a good Muslim is his leaving alone that which does not concern him.” If a person indulges in something that does not concern him, that detracts from his being a good Muslim.
Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 7/49, 50

It is your life to do as you wish : )

Loving unconditionally is something that Allah never suggested anyone to do.

You said

“Part of a person’s being a good Muslim is his leaving alone that which does not concern him.” If a person indulges in something that does not concern him

Does not that mean to mind our own business and not telling others "I AM A MUSLIM SO YOU MUST DO AND BELIEVE WHAT SAY IS RIGHT" ?

If one see someone harming others, of course it is good to try to stop it.

 

[MyM]

You said


Does not that mean to mind our own business and not telling others "I AM A MUSLIM SO YOU MUST DO AND BELIEVE WHAT SAY IS RIGHT" ?

If one see someone harming others, of course it is good to try to stop it.

You said


Does not that mean to mind our own business and not telling others "I AM A MUSLIM SO YOU MUST DO AND BELIEVE WHAT SAY IS RIGHT" ?

If one see someone harming others, of course it is good to try to stop it.

We as Muslims should do what Allah says for us to do enjoin good and forbid evil. We can only do so much but if we relay the message that is what is incumbent on every muslim. Now what people do not understand Muslims that is, is that in relaying that message is how to do it the correct way. There are good ways in which we are to speak, guidelines in which to follow and in that we say the truth and then it isn't upon us to make anyone believe. It is then their own salvation they must worry about and we have done the best we can : )

 

[Spirit of Light]

We as Muslims should do what Allah says for us to do enjoin good and forbid evil. We can only do so much but if we relay the message that is what is incumbent on every muslim. Now what people do not understand Muslims that is, is that in relaying that message is how to do it the correct way. There are good ways in which we are to speak, guidelines in which to follow and in that we say the truth and then it isn't upon us to make anyone believe. It is then their own salvation they must worry about and we have done the best we can : )

I can not say what others should or should not do, but I believe in living as an example of how a good Muslim/Sufi should live is a better way of showing what Islam is all about instead of pointing out errors in others.

( and no i do not live out as a good example at the moment, but working inward to undo my own flaw)

 

[MyM]

I can not say what others should or should not do, but I believe in living as an example of how a good Muslim/Sufi should live is a better way of showing what Islam is all about instead of pointing out errors in others.

( and no i do not live out as a good example at the moment, but working inward to undo my own flaw)

We can only do our best and that is follow the Quran and Sunnah and hopes of Allah's forgiveness and mercy. For everyone will stand in front of Allah and will be given their book of deeds to be judged.

I pray that Allah guides us all and keeps us on the guided straight path ameen

 

[Mock Turtle]

In the West, women are exploited, taken for granted, being pranced around for show for the whole world to see. What for? Why humiliate your women into such situations that do not befit them? Is it because of what "men" want? Because of selfish sexual pleasures that you must show women for your own personal gains? Men should be protecting women instead of abusing them....and you call us ridiculous.

Hi

Have you lived in the West for any length of time? Given that the females in probably most such countries are rather pleased with their freedoms, even if many will not like what some females and/or some males want and/or get up to. I think both females and males in general appreciate the freedoms rather than the restrictions that so often happens in mainly Muslim countries. If this were not so I suspect we would see more females on the streets demanding what you seem to advocate - but we don't - not here in the UK at least. Instead we get a range of behaviours, and mostly within the laws of the country involved - much that some might not like (such as yourself), most will simply tolerate, and many will just enjoy - because they have the rights to do so. Such is toleration.

As many might see Islam - it does tend to oppose Western values simply on the lack of equality between males and females (such as freedoms and rights), and perhaps one reason why Islam will eventually have to change or suffer the fate of most other religions - a slow but inevitable decline - because females do ultimately prefer their rights to be the same as males. My prediction at least.

 

[viole]

In the West, women are exploited, taken for granted, being pranced around for show for the whole world to see. What for? Why humiliate your women into such situations that do not befit them? Is it because of what "men" want? Because of selfish sexual pleasures that you must show women for your own personal gains? Men should be protecting women instead of abusing them....and you call us ridiculous.

I am woman, in case you did not notice. And I wear whatever I like without feeling to be abused at all. Actually, most women here believe the contrary. That women covered up like Batman are abused by their husbands. And that is also why we banned that here in Switzerland.

But how do you square this sort of asymmetric morality (why not covering men, too?) with worshipping a God whose main prophet was into little child girls?

ciao

- viole

 

[loverofhumanity]

To each his own but when one gives you proof from your OWN SOURCE one should look into it and study it. Knowledge is an asset.
˹It will be said,˺ “Were My revelations not recited to you, but you used to deny them? 23:105


“O mankind! Verily, the Promise of Allah is true. So let not this present life deceive you, and let not the chief deceiver (Satan) deceive you about Allah” Faatir 35:5

We have indeed brought you the Truth, but most of you dislike the Truth. Qur’án 43:78

 

[MyM]

Hi

Have you lived in the West for any length of time? Given that the females in probably most such countries are rather pleased with their freedoms, even if many will not like what some females and/or some males want and/or get up to. I think both females and males in general appreciate the freedoms rather than the restrictions that so often happens in mainly Muslim countries. If this were not so I suspect we would see more females on the streets demanding what you seem to advocate - but we don't - not here in the UK at least. Instead we get a range of behaviours, and mostly within the laws of the country involved - much that some might not like (such as yourself), most will simply tolerate, and many will just enjoy - because they have the rights to do so. Such is toleration.

As many might see Islam - it does tend to oppose Western values simply on the lack of equality between males and females (such as freedoms and rights), and perhaps one reason why Islam will eventually have to change or suffer the fate of most other religions - a slow but inevitable decline - because females do ultimately prefer their rights to be the same as males. My prediction at least.

I am an American, born and raised...actually my ancestors are Native Americans (Cherokee Tribe) so yes, I have lived in America lol I am a normal American. I was a beach bum, I grew up on Daytona Beach and I used to show my assets off! Literally.

I understand how you are thinking. I used to think the same way. I was looking into Islam because of what I was hearing, what I was seeing and of course what the preachers would tell me that did not coincide with the Bible. I have been through it all.

Islam is completed. In Islam you are given free will to choose or refuse. The one thing about that is, what are you choosing and who are you refusing from. People from the past degraded women, humiliated women, raped, killed, abused and accused and many still do that this day. In the Islamic, religion, you do not have that. Men are protectors of women. Paradise lies at the feet of the mother. We are indeed the weaker of the two. It's just how Allah made man and women. In Islam, women and men will be judged according to their own deeds. If both commits a major sin, they both will be judged the same. In that, men and women in the site of Allah are the same. Islam does not humiliate women nor their intelligence. In Islam, women are told to cover up to show only their "ornamentations" to their husbands, brothers, uncles, fathers, grandfathers-to whom they cannot marry. This is a protection for them. To display them is a degradation. In Islam, women have had the right to vote way before the west did. They didn't have to fight for their right to exist. Each have their role to play. Women can marry whomever they want, they can work, vote, travel, etc. and they have guidelines in Islam to help them do just that.
Men and women are never and will never be equal because God didn't created us equal. He created us to be companions of one another. To worship Allah. There is no competition.

Islam urges the husband to treat his wife in a good and kind manner, and says that the wife has rights over the husband like his rights over her, except that he has a degree over her, because of his responsibility of spending and taking care of the family affairs. Even if the women works, her money is hers and hers alone and the husband has no right to it and he still must provide for her and the family. Women have the right to a decent life, without facing aggression or being wronged. Women have the right to be educated; in fact it is obligatory to teach them what they need to know about their religion.

Now, in saying all that I have said, those who go against what Allah states will be going against Islam. Islam was completed by Allah over 1400 years ago and it is still the exact same religion as it was then. If you do not believe in it, and one is not forced to believe in it, that is between you and your belief, then one can deal with Allah on the Day of Judgement concerning which that you don't believe.

I think that it's the non muslims who are afraid of what they do not know and attribute only what they hear and what some see. True there are bad people in all religions and I do not defend any of them, but to be fair, intolerance is a two way street.

The way the Bible portrays women is not appealing AT ALL.

 

[MyM]

I am woman, in case you did not notice. And I wear whatever I like without feeling to be abused at all. Actually, most women here believe the contrary. That women covered up like Batman are abused by their husbands. And that is also why we banned that here in Switzerland.

But how do you square this sort of asymmetric morality (why not covering men, too?) with worshipping a God whose main prophet was into little child girls?

ciao

- viole

That covering up batman was a sarcastic statement. lol It was supposed to point out that most men are more covered up than women.

To each his own and you now know what Islam is and why women cover up so it is upon you to decide and it's upon you to make your own choice.

Banning is extremely wrong. To hurt people because of their belief is a sign of tyrants If that were the case, they should ban the Bible. It says that women should not uncover their hair and if they do they should shave their heads! All Chrisitians should be banned from going outside their homes. What about Catholic Nuns? Are they banned?

anyways, we know this to be silly

As for Mohammad pbuh marrying Aisha, he did not consummate the MARRIAGE until she was mature enough. When a women reaches puberty, she is allowed to Marry. Even back during the days of Kings and Queens the same thing happened and no one thought any different.

She was the daughter of Mohammad's best friend Abu Bakr. He protected her, watched over her, and he is the best of those who are good to their wives. If you look into the matter in depths, most of the ahadith about her and her situation are FROM HER and she was not forced, coerced or made to enter into it. If she was ok, her pious family agreed and to be with one of the best human beings mankind has had to experience, then who are you and anyone else to say otherwise. She stayed with him until his passing. You may continue to not see this as the best outcome to your liking, but you do not know more than Allah and his Messenger.

 

[Augustus]

The origin of the dispute between Sunni and Shia is the succession of the caliphate. There were two claimants: Mu'awilla and Ali. That split between claims for the succession became the split between Sunni and Shia. The doctrinal disputes came later and were used to claim justification for one side or the other.

It's more the other way around. Sunni Islam didn't exist in any meaningful sense for another couple of centuries.

The doctrinal disputes came first and were mostly applied retrospectively to past events to justify the doctrinal disputes. Also, 'doctrinal' disputes are often really window dressing for ethno-political disputes (as Iran v Saudi/ Persian v Arab is today for example)

What became Sunni Islam emerged from a long process that cumulated in a number of factional disputes in 8th/9th C Iraq such as those between Mutazilite and traditionists, between whether it was correct to follow the sunnah of Muhammad or the Sunnah of the Caliph, etc

The name “Sunni” derives from a technical term that we have already encountered: “Sunna.” When the term “Sunna” appears in Islamic legal theory, it is used in a more restrictive sense to refer to the normative life of Muhammad that was constructed and imagined as authoritative by later generations...

The name “Sunni” abbreviates a phrase that better clarifies the Sunni movement’s ideological parameters: “ahl al-sunna waʾl-jamaʿa” (the Peo- ple of the Tradition [of Muhammad] and the Community). As with Shiʿism, however, it is imperative that we not regard this tradition as emerging fully formed at the time of Muhammad. On the contrary, it took time to develop, often in relationship to a series of legal and theological disputes, certain answers to which would emerge as “orthodox.” Although many of these answers would at a later date be taken to have existed at the time of Muhammad, there is no clear evidence that they did.

Sunni Islam is defined not by its allegiance to a particular individual (e.g., Ali and the ahl al-bayt) or institution (e.g., the Imamate), as Shiʿism is, but by following one of the four authentic schools of law that are envis- aged as representing the true elaboration of Muhammad’s Sunna. These schools took generations to develop and were done so largely by means of a group of legal scholars (ulama; sing., alim), whose main concern was to determine what obedience to God should mean in a daily context.3 The product of their collective efforts is the sharia, literally the “path” or “way” that Muslims should follow. Muslim Identities: An Introduction to Islam - AW Hughes (Columbia University Press)

The origins of Sunnism really lies in conflict with Muʿtazila rather than Shia

The stage was set for a confrontation between the caliph and the ulama. The link between Iraq and the ashãb sunna may be explained by the fact that the Mihna was initiated and enforced primarily upon the ulama of Iraq.46 The caliph wanted the ulama to submit to his will and acknowledge him, as caliph, as the religious authority to guide all believers. One of the ulama who directly opposed the caliph was Ahmad b. Hanbal who, by any standard, was pivotal in the development of Sunnism.47 Paradoxically, the Mihna resulted in the opposite of what the caliph intended: it united the opposition as the ulama rallied around the figure of Ibn Hanbal, who, together with other ashãb sunna , said that a caliph does not define Islam. They rejected the caliph's carefully crafted rational arguments, while paying lip service to al-Ma'mūn's demands.48 The ashãb sunna highlighted their accounts about the correct behavior of a Muslim rather than a caliph's opinion about what a Muslim should believe. Thus the first and most important tenet of Sunnism was established in opposition to the caliph's will and a momentous step was taken in the crystallization of Sunnism as we know it.

The Appellation "Ṣāḥib Sunna" in Classical Islam: How Sunnism Came To Be on JSTOR

 

[MyM]

It's more the other way around. Sunni Islam didn't exist in any meaningful sense for another couple of centuries.

The doctrinal disputes came first and were mostly applied retrospectively to past events to justify the doctrinal disputes. Also, 'doctrinal' disputes are often really window dressing for ethno-political disputes (as Iran v Saudi/ Persian v Arab is today for example)

What became Sunni Islam emerged from a long process that cumulated in a number of factional disputes in 8th/9th C Iraq such as those between Mutazilite and traditionists, between whether it was correct to follow the sunnah of Muhammad or the Sunnah of the Caliph, etc

The name “Sunni” derives from a technical term that we have already encountered: “Sunna.” When the term “Sunna” appears in Islamic legal theory, it is used in a more restrictive sense to refer to the normative life of Muhammad that was constructed and imagined as authoritative by later generations...

The name “Sunni” abbreviates a phrase that better clarifies the Sunni movement’s ideological parameters: “ahl al-sunna waʾl-jamaʿa” (the Peo- ple of the Tradition [of Muhammad] and the Community). As with Shiʿism, however, it is imperative that we not regard this tradition as emerging fully formed at the time of Muhammad. On the contrary, it took time to develop, often in relationship to a series of legal and theological disputes, certain answers to which would emerge as “orthodox.” Although many of these answers would at a later date be taken to have existed at the time of Muhammad, there is no clear evidence that they did.

Sunni Islam is defined not by its allegiance to a particular individual (e.g., Ali and the ahl al-bayt) or institution (e.g., the Imamate), as Shiʿism is, but by following one of the four authentic schools of law that are envis- aged as representing the true elaboration of Muhammad’s Sunna. These schools took generations to develop and were done so largely by means of a group of legal scholars (ulama; sing., alim), whose main concern was to determine what obedience to God should mean in a daily context.3 The product of their collective efforts is the sharia, literally the “path” or “way” that Muslims should follow. Muslim Identities: An Introduction to Islam - M White (Columbia University Press)

The origins of Sunnism really lies in conflict with Muʿtazila rather than Shia

The stage was set for a confrontation between the caliph and the ulama. The link between Iraq and the ashãb sunna may be explained by the fact that the Mihna was initiated and enforced primarily upon the ulama of Iraq.46 The caliph wanted the ulama to submit to his will and acknowledge him, as caliph, as the religious authority to guide all believers. One of the ulama who directly opposed the caliph was Ahmad b. Hanbal who, by any standard, was pivotal in the development of Sunnism.47 Paradoxically, the Mihna resulted in the opposite of what the caliph intended: it united the opposition as the ulama rallied around the figure of Ibn Hanbal, who, together with other ashãb sunna , said that a caliph does not define Islam. They rejected the caliph's carefully crafted rational arguments, while paying lip service to al-Ma'mūn's demands.48 The ashãb sunna highlighted their accounts about the correct behavior of a Muslim rather than a caliph's opinion about what a Muslim should believe. Thus the first and most important tenet of Sunnism was established in opposition to the caliph's will and a momentous step was taken in the crystallization of Sunnism as we know it.

The Appellation "Ṣāḥib Sunna" in Classical Islam: How Sunnism Came To Be on JSTOR

Why the dispute? Why get so hung up on trying to prove what Allah has already stated in the Quran and ahadith? We know what happened. You don't have to try and explain through non authenticated resources that do not coincide with what Allah and His Messenger has brought. His companions were alive during his time as Messenger, they are called the Sahaba, then after that the tabi'een...they relayed authenticated ahadith which are still present today. There are scholars and people of ahadith...those who explain the Quran and the ahadith.

To claim that Sunni wasn't developed until a later date...we already know who followed who and what was foretold.
Those who follow the last Messenger of Allah pbuh and believe in Allah and the last day, Allah will reward them. Those who reject Allah will deal justly with them.

The companions of Mohammad pbuh did what they thought was best. They are worthy of repentance if things did not go well.

The Trusted Scholars (Ulema) in Islam know what they are doing. Why compare them to those of a much lesser degree?

 

[Link]

The companions of Mohammad pbuh did what they thought was best.

Most of the remaining at a point were taken prisoners, slaves, and conquered when they rebelled after Imam Hussain's (a) death against Yazid, so this narrative the umma honored the companions of Mohammad (s), is simply false.

Majority of companions were on side of Ali (a) and Hassan (a), but where overwhelmed with numbers of the people fighting them, that Imam Hassan (a) had to do a treaty.

Again, majority of nation didn't take side of companions of Mohammad (s).

Your scholars originated from those endorsed by the government, which killed and took the companions of Mohammad (s) as slaves and prisoners.

 

[viole]

Banning is extremely wrong. To hurt people because of their belief is a sign of tyrants If that were the case, they should ban the Bible. It says that women should not uncover their hair and if they do they should shave their heads! All Chrisitians should be banned from going outside their homes. What about Catholic Nuns? Are they banned?

The ban has nothing to do with religion. The ban is just against face covering. Hair covering is not a problem. Fortunately, since I just spent a fortune for a winter hat. So, if a nun covers her face, she could be fined, too. Of course, this is sort of overruled now during this pandemic years, but it will be resumed when the emergency ceases.

But in Switzerland it is the people that decides on basically everything. It is not tyranny, it is direct democracy, the exact opposite of tyranny. A ban we issued concerning religion somewhat is a ban on minarets. You cannot build a Muslim minaret in Switzerland. The reason is that it does not fit with our mountains and lakes.

anyway, our Muslims here do not seem to complain too much about all this. For obvious reasons.

ciao

- viole

 

[Polymath257]

It's more the other way around. Sunni Islam didn't exist in any meaningful sense for another couple of centuries.

The doctrinal disputes came first and were mostly applied retrospectively to past events to justify the doctrinal disputes. Also, 'doctrinal' disputes are often really window dressing for ethno-political disputes (as Iran v Saudi/ Persian v Arab is today for example)

What became Sunni Islam emerged from a long process that cumulated in a number of factional disputes in 8th/9th C Iraq such as those between Mutazilite and traditionists, between whether it was correct to follow the sunnah of Muhammad or the Sunnah of the Caliph, etc

The name “Sunni” derives from a technical term that we have already encountered: “Sunna.” When the term “Sunna” appears in Islamic legal theory, it is used in a more restrictive sense to refer to the normative life of Muhammad that was constructed and imagined as authoritative by later generations...

The name “Sunni” abbreviates a phrase that better clarifies the Sunni movement’s ideological parameters: “ahl al-sunna waʾl-jamaʿa” (the Peo- ple of the Tradition [of Muhammad] and the Community). As with Shiʿism, however, it is imperative that we not regard this tradition as emerging fully formed at the time of Muhammad. On the contrary, it took time to develop, often in relationship to a series of legal and theological disputes, certain answers to which would emerge as “orthodox.” Although many of these answers would at a later date be taken to have existed at the time of Muhammad, there is no clear evidence that they did.

Sunni Islam is defined not by its allegiance to a particular individual (e.g., Ali and the ahl al-bayt) or institution (e.g., the Imamate), as Shiʿism is, but by following one of the four authentic schools of law that are envis- aged as representing the true elaboration of Muhammad’s Sunna. These schools took generations to develop and were done so largely by means of a group of legal scholars (ulama; sing., alim), whose main concern was to determine what obedience to God should mean in a daily context.3 The product of their collective efforts is the sharia, literally the “path” or “way” that Muslims should follow. Muslim Identities: An Introduction to Islam - M White (Columbia University Press)

The origins of Sunnism really lies in conflict with Muʿtazila rather than Shia

The stage was set for a confrontation between the caliph and the ulama. The link between Iraq and the ashãb sunna may be explained by the fact that the Mihna was initiated and enforced primarily upon the ulama of Iraq.46 The caliph wanted the ulama to submit to his will and acknowledge him, as caliph, as the religious authority to guide all believers. One of the ulama who directly opposed the caliph was Ahmad b. Hanbal who, by any standard, was pivotal in the development of Sunnism.47 Paradoxically, the Mihna resulted in the opposite of what the caliph intended: it united the opposition as the ulama rallied around the figure of Ibn Hanbal, who, together with other ashãb sunna , said that a caliph does not define Islam. They rejected the caliph's carefully crafted rational arguments, while paying lip service to al-Ma'mūn's demands.48 The ashãb sunna highlighted their accounts about the correct behavior of a Muslim rather than a caliph's opinion about what a Muslim should believe. Thus the first and most important tenet of Sunnism was established in opposition to the caliph's will and a momentous step was taken in the crystallization of Sunnism as we know it.

The Appellation "Ṣāḥib Sunna" in Classical Islam: How Sunnism Came To Be on JSTOR

Thank you. That was very informative. It seems to be hard to find good treatments of the history of early Islam.

 

[Link]

The tabieen (generation followed companions) narrative is a lie. Majority didn't take from companions of Mohammad (S), but from scholars endorsed by government that killed, took prison, and enslaved the companions of Mohammad (s).

Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[MyM]

The ban has nothing to do with religion. The ban is just against face covering. Hair covering is not a problem. Fortunately, since I just spent a fortune for a winter hat. So, if a nun covers her face, she could be fined, too. Of course, this is sort of overruled now during this pandemic years, but it will be resumed when the emergency ceases.

But in Switzerland it is the people that decides on basically everything. It is not tyranny, it is direct democracy, the exact opposite of tyranny. A ban we issued concerning religion somewhat is a ban on minarets. You cannot build a Muslim minaret in Switzerland. The reason is that it does not fit with our mountains and lakes.

anyway, our Muslims here do not seem to complain too much about all this. For obvious reasons.

ciao

- viole

I don't know what country bans the headscarf or face veil. In that, I am ignorant. But what I do stand by is not letting one practice their religion. But we cannot control everything. We do what we can. Mosques do not have to have minarets on them. : )

 

[viole]

I don't know what country bans the headscarf or face veil. In that, I am ignorant. But what I do stand by is not letting one practice their religion. But we cannot control everything. We do what we can. Mosques do not have to have minarets on them. : )

This is what secularism is. You are free to worship whomever you want, but if tour beliefs contradict secular law, then they have no value. None whatsoever.

it is easy to see why. Suppose I resume the old Maya belief that requires periodic children sacrifices. And i sacrifice kids because that would appease my gods and provide for all of us. Sacrificing kids would be, in my belief system, the most righteous thing to do in the interest of all people.

now, what would you do? Would you allow children sacrifices on account of respecting my religious beliefs?

ciao

- viole

 

[Mock Turtle]

I am an American, born and raised...actually my ancestors are Native Americans (Cherokee Tribe) so yes, I have lived in America lol I am a normal American. I was a beach bum, I grew up on Daytona Beach and I used to show my assets off! Literally.

I understand how you are thinking. I used to think the same way. I was looking into Islam because of what I was hearing, what I was seeing and of course what the preachers would tell me that did not coincide with the Bible. I have been through it all.

Islam is completed. In Islam you are given free will to choose or refuse. The one thing about that is, what are you choosing and who are you refusing from. People from the past degraded women, humiliated women, raped, killed, abused and accused and many still do that this day. In the Islamic, religion, you do not have that. Men are protectors of women. Paradise lies at the feet of the mother. We are indeed the weaker of the two. It's just how Allah made man and women. In Islam, women and men will be judged according to their own deeds. If both commits a major sin, they both will be judged the same. In that, men and women in the site of Allah are the same. Islam does not humiliate women nor their intelligence. In Islam, women are told to cover up to show only their "ornamentations" to their husbands, brothers, uncles, fathers, grandfathers-to whom they cannot marry. This is a protection for them. To display them is a degradation. In Islam, women have had the right to vote way before the west did. They didn't have to fight for their right to exist. Each have their role to play. Women can marry whomever they want, they can work, vote, travel, etc. and they have guidelines in Islam to help them do just that.
Men and women are never and will never be equal because God didn't created us equal. He created us to be companions of one another. To worship Allah. There is no competition.

Islam urges the husband to treat his wife in a good and kind manner, and says that the wife has rights over the husband like his rights over her, except that he has a degree over her, because of his responsibility of spending and taking care of the family affairs. Even if the women works, her money is hers and hers alone and the husband has no right to it and he still must provide for her and the family. Women have the right to a decent life, without facing aggression or being wronged. Women have the right to be educated; in fact it is obligatory to teach them what they need to know about their religion.

Now, in saying all that I have said, those who go against what Allah states will be going against Islam. Islam was completed by Allah over 1400 years ago and it is still the exact same religion as it was then. If you do not believe in it, and one is not forced to believe in it, that is between you and your belief, then one can deal with Allah on the Day of Judgement concerning which that you don't believe.

I think that it's the non muslims who are afraid of what they do not know and attribute only what they hear and what some see. True there are bad people in all religions and I do not defend any of them, but to be fair, intolerance is a two way street.

The way the Bible portrays women is not appealing AT ALL.

Well that is all well enough for those who believe in and practice Islam, but as you might have noticed, many Western nations, especially European ones, have tended to become less religious over the last several decades - apart from immigration to alter such - and they seem to cherish the rights and freedoms that have taken so long to achieve - with many still to achieve.

You can't alter the fact that if people don't accept religious beliefs and especially don't share any religious beliefs that don't view males and females as essentially equals in most circumstances then they will not listen. This isn't to say that males and females are the same, just that there should be adequate reasons for any differences, and religions telling us that God made men this way and women this other way is not sufficient - for those who prefer more authoritative sources of knowledge that is.

This is how I see such anyway and the trends seem to indicate this too.

 

[MyM]

Most of the remaining at a point were taken prisoners, slaves, and conquered when they rebelled after Imam Hussain's (a) death against Yazid, so this narrative the umma honored the companions of Mohammad (s), is simply false.

Majority of companions were on side of Ali (a) and Hassan (a), but where overwhelmed with numbers of the people fighting them, that Imam Hassan (a) had to do a treaty.

Again, majority of nation didn't take side of companions of Mohammad (s).

Your scholars originated from those endorsed by the government, which killed and took the companions of Mohammad (s) as slaves and prisoners.

This is "your" history. I do not take Islam from "your" mullahs.

Islam was before that. : )

“call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and reason with them in the best manner possible”
an-Nahl 16:125

 

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This is "your" history. I do not take Islam from "your" mullahs.

Islam was before that. : )

“call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and reason with them in the best manner possible”
an-Nahl 16:125

This is according to both Sunni and Shiite history. It's conjecture to say Tabieen followed companions, when they killed them, put them in jail and took majority as slaves per commands of Yazid.