Ask About Islam

[ppp]

I am not God to say

The religious are happy to be wantonly judgmental until they are called to show accountability for their poor judgments. Then suddenly they get shy about it and pretend that their judgments ever wait on their god.

 

[England my lionheart]

And you can prove it of course?,I’ll just go and get a bathtub full of popcorn,can’t wait though.

Just saying.

 

[MyM]

The religious are happy to be wantonly judgmental until they are called to show accountability for their poor judgments. Then suddenly they get shy about it and pretend that their judgments ever wait on their god.

Don't assume to know me. You do NOT understand my mind my heart nor my religion.

 

[ppp]

Don't assume to know me. You do NOT understand my mind my heart nor my religion.

I am not judging your mind or your heart. I am judging your actions. I make no apologies for doing so. And I do not smugly shunt my responsibility for my judgments onto somebody else.

 

[Sheldon]

The religious are happy to be wantonly judgmental until they are called to show accountability for their poor judgments. Then suddenly they get shy about it and pretend that their judgments ever wait on their god.

If all the worst of them ever did, was gleefully anticipate a posthumous eternity of torture that awaits me, I'd be inclined to let them get on with it, but sadly many seem to want to speed things along in the here and now.

 

[MyM]

I am not judging your mind or your heart. I am judging your actions. I make no apologies for doing so. And I do not smugly shunt my responsibility for my judgments onto somebody else.

I did not smugly shun anything. I was sincere in what I said and meant every word.

Don't generalize either it isn't nice.

 

[ppp]

I did not smugly shun anything. I was sincere in what I said and meant every word.

Don't generalize either it isn't nice.

Smugness and sincerity are not mutually exclusive.

What did you think of Muhammed Isa's position that saying that a husband can rape his wife is merely stylish? I'm asking to decide If your idea of what is nice is worth my consideration.

 

[MyM]

Smugness and sincerity are not mutually exclusive.

What did you think of Muhammed Isa's position that saying that a husband can rape his wife is merely stylish? I'm asking to decide If your idea of what is nice is worth my consideration.

omg here you go again

Who is Mohammad Isa?

I really don't care if you "consider" to answer me or not...doesn't bother me.

 

[ppp]

Who is Mohammad Isa?

Not relevant to answering the question. But your kneejerk dissimulation is answer enough.

I really don't care if you "consider" to answer me or not.

 

[muhammad_isa]

What did you think of Muhammed Isa's position that saying that a husband can rape his wife is merely stylish?

I judge by what the Qur'an reveals. You don't.

I have never said that it's ok for a man to maltreat his wife.
What I have said, is that sexual intercourse outside of marriage is not acceptable in an Islamic society.

 

[MyM]

Not relevant to answering the question. But your kneejerk dissimulation is answer enough.

pft, just answered the way you did lol

 

[ppp]

pft, just answered the way you did lol

Oh, twaddle. You cannot have answered the way that I did, because you had not asked me anything.

 

[Sheldon]

I judge by what the Qur'an reveals. You don't.

I have never said that it's ok for a man to maltreat his wife.
What I have said, is that sexual intercourse outside of marriage is not acceptable in an Islamic society.

Is it ever morally acceptable for a husband to have sex with his wife without her consent?

 

[WonderingWorrier]

It's not my definition it is the dictionary's Google online in fact.

A widely accepted history of misunderstanding doesnt make it correct though.

It is both vague and incomprehensible, and if you think the moon can stop orbiting the earth, or ever has, I don't know what to say to that. The sun rotates on its axis, but it does not move, obviously.

Its not even talking about the moon or the sun. You are wrong in thinking that it is.
They are fixed positions, unmoving.

They are risible claims.

I've listened to the words. I'm not laughing.

Again so vague as to be meaningless. I mean waves roaring, you can't be serious.

Yes I am serious. Roaring. As in a lions roar. Since the sea is the same measurement as the lion.

They are vague claims, some of which are nonsensical.

Only nonsense to you. Signs are details. There are details attached to the moon, the stars, and the sun. I have showed you some details as the spear, and the bow. And I can show more.

What does that even mean?

It means the moon, stars, and sun, are different measurements. Measurements of value.

Ok sorry, I have to ask, but is this some sort of elaborate windup I've fallen for?

You seem to be unable to comprehend it.

You're kidding right? Are we even using the same language here? Figs are stars is not vague? It's gibberish to me sorry. You just keep repeating, and claiming you've explained it, but I see nothing approaching objective evidence, or even anything comprehensible? What on earth does "figs are stars" even mean? I also see no measurements, or any table of measurements?

No. We are not using the same language.
To you it is still gibberish. Try to listen more carefully.

As the verse I showed earlier:

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. John 8:43

You cant hear the language because you dont know what the words mean.

It is symbolic but not open to interpretation. The words are symbols.
And the symbols have positions.

Stars and figs are in the same position. They are representing the same thing (Level2) in the table of measurements. So stars and figs are the same thing.



The table of measurements is when I do this showing the order of the symbols:

Level1 - Level2 - Level3
Brass - Silver - Gold
Sea - River - Stream
Valley - Hill - Mountain
Moon - Stars - Sun
Straw - Dust - Stubble
Spear - Sword - Bow
Pomegranate - Fig - Apple
Cattle - Goats - Sheep
Lion - Leopard - Wolf
Bear - Deer - Horse

Notice the Sea is roaring as a lion.

Also notice the Lion is eating straw with the Ox .
Notice the wolf is with the lamb.
That is a well known "prophecy".

Some people think animals will one day be at peace with each other. Some people think its metaphor for whatever they want it to mean.

Im trying to show you how to hear the words.
So you stop hearing gibberish.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

That is not measurement. And it certainly isn't confirmation. That is merely poetry.

Brass, silver, and gold is a measurement of value.
I had not thought of the words of the Bible and Quran as poetry before.
I just know what is said is correct in its own way. Because of the many confirmations.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

And yet they keep claiming that it is. So bizarre

The prophets speak a symbolic language. A language of symbols.
The symbols confirm other symbols positions within the speech.
That is objective evidence that there are positions.

The symbols are confirming other symbols. Showing what they say is true.

 

[ppp]

Brass, silver, and gold is a measurement of value.
I had not thought of the words of the Bible and Quran as poetry before.
I just know what is said is correct in its own way. Because of the many confirmations.

That is neither measurement nor confirmation.

 

[ppp]

That is objective evidence that there are positions.

It is not. Just because someone has a symbol, does not mean that the symbol points to anything real. You do not have objective evidence. Merely anecdote.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

Smugness and sincerity are not mutually exclusive.

What did you think of Muhammed Isa's position that saying that a husband can rape his wife is merely stylish? I'm asking to decide If your idea of what is nice is worth my consideration.

Im going to step in here.
Yes it is said the wife must obey the husband:


Understand who the husband is:
For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Isaiah 54:5


Understand not everything is said in a nice way.
To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. Proverbs 1:6


The dark sayings are worth consideration.


And he said unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour. Exodus 32:27


Ye Ethiopians also, ye shall be slain by my sword. Zephaniah 2:12


I have considered the Ethiopians. They have been judged. So I have put them all to the sword.

Would you like to see my evidence of it?

I can show you that Ethiopia is in the position/measurement of sword.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

That is neither measurement nor confirmation.

First just try to understand the concept.
Then I can advance with more confirmation.