Ask About Islam

[Sheldon]

There is what we tell ourselves, and trick ourselves and then there's what really deep inside know.

It may be what you tell yourself, but it is certainly not what I tell myself, as I explained I am an atheist, and I don't believe in any deity, or sin.

Even Satan tricks himself that God doesn't exist and he can overthrow heaven while fears God of Angels and Prophets deep inside. Deep inside he knows better.

I don't believe in Satan either.

Atheists can see they have a soul, what they tell themselves and trick themselves with, that's up to them.

Nonsense, you are just making up sweeping unevidenced claims about what others think and believe. You're simply wrong, and I suspect you know it at some level, but either way, I do not believe in any deity, or any of the unevidenced supernatural claims that religions create about them. Since they are not supported by any objective evidence.

 

[ppp]

There is what we tell ourselves, and trick ourselves and then there's what really deep inside know. Even Satan tricks himself that God doesn't exist and he can overthrow heaven while fears God of Angels and Prophets deep inside. Deep inside he knows better. Atheists can see they have a soul, what they tell themselves and trick themselves with, that's up to them.

People who pretend that they know the contents of my brain better than I do rank right between used car salesmen and mediums in seances

 

[Link]

It may be what you tell yourself, but it is certainly not what i tell myself, as I explained I am an atheist

Even Satan tricks himself that God doesn't exist and he can overthrow heaven while fears God of Angels and Prophets deep inside. Deep inside he knows better. Atheists can see they have a soul, what they tell themselves and trick themselves with, that's up to them.

Yet you not only never witnessed reality to be material, you don't even know it's possible in any possible world for material existence to exist. The only thing you witness to exist is qualia. Everything you experience are ideas. Five senses are ideas/experience/qualia. Reality when you think about what you truly experience, it's word/idea type existence. This is reality how things exist. And there is no relationship between physical and qualia, it's impossible, they are defined to be opposites with nothing to do with each other. When you imagine materialism, you imagine exact opposite of the only thing you know to exist, which is idea type existence. Yet you never witness it as possible to exist, and if you would reflect, you would see it's impossible. Dualism is impossible.

 

[Link]

It may be what you tell yourself, but it is certainly not what I tell myself, as I explained I am an atheist, and I don't believe in any deity, or sin.



I don't believe in Satan either.



Nonsense, you are just making up sweeping unevidenced claims about what others think and believe. You're simply wrong, and I suspect you know it at some level, but either way, I do not believe in any deity, or any of the unevidenced supernatural claims that religions create about them. Since they are not supported by any objective evidence.

How can you say your soul is not evidence of reality? You trick yourself and are good at it. But the trickery will end at one point, then you answer to God.

 

[Sheldon]

Oh the problem is both in the real world and in RF where non-believers hearing only what they want to hear when a believer speak, then the words get twisted because the non-believer do not want to actually hear what the believe do believe.

Ah, now I understand, you want everyone to see things the way you do. Well lots of luck with that, but I have to say I think you're going to be disappointed, especially in a public debate forum.

It happens with 3-4 non-believers every day in RF and probably outside of RF too with the same guys

People who grasp the definition of debate then.

Just let the believers believe what they do, if you are not interested in hearing what they actually trying to tell you.

Who is stopping you believing the moon is made of cheese if it makes you happy? This is a public debate forum, if you are so intolerant, and your beliefs so fragile, that you can't stand to hear other viewpoints, then maybe a public debate forum is not for you?

 

[Sheldon]

Debate one thing, degrading, ridiculing and insulting is not even worthy of a reply.

If I am asking those who want to know about Islam, of course I will let them know about Islam. It isn't lecturing when people ask sincere questions. But it is indeed wrong for one to demean another because of it.

The only ad hominem I have seen has been directed at me by you and another Muslim. Not the first time you have done this either. In a public debate forum, beliefs can be criticised, ridiculed and attacked, but not people.

 

[Sheldon]

You can disagree as much you want about religion, but no need to call believers "straw man, disillusioned, fallacy, and so on,

You do know that a straw man is a known fallacy in informal logic right? Why would it be wrong to point out a known logical fallacy in a debate forum?

just because the non-believers dont see truth in what the believer hold faith in.

That one is called a no true Scotsman fallacy, it is irrational by definition of course.

 

[Sheldon]

Yet you not only never witnessed reality to be material, you don't even know it's possible in any possible world for material existence to exist.

What? Are you saying the material world doesn't exist? I think you will need to demonstrate some objective evidence to support that claim.

The only thing you witness to exist is qualia. Everything you experience are ideas. Five senses are ideas/experience/qualia. Reality when you think about what you truly experience, it's word/idea type existence. This is reality how things exist. And there is no relationship between physical and qualia, it's impossible, they are defined to be opposites with nothing to do with each other.

Again I find that claim dubious, but please do demonstrate something beyond a bare subjective claim to support it. You also seem to have gone off on something of a tangent here.

I would suggest a good place to start, would be to demonstrate some objective evidence that a deity exists, or is even possible.

 

[Sheldon]

How can you say your soul is not evidence of reality?

I didn't remotely say that, I suggest you re-read my post.

You trick yourself and are good at it. But the trickery will end at one point, then you answer to God.

Sigh, I don't believe you, and reeling off endless unevidenced assertions is not going to convince me.

 

[Link]

What? Are you saying the material world doesn't exist? I think you will need to demonstrate some objective evidence to support that claim.



Again I find that claim dubious, but please do demonstrate something beyond a bare subjective claim to support it. You also seem to have gone off on something of a tangent here.

I would suggest a good place to start, would be to demonstrate some objective evidence that a deity exists, or is even possible.

Your soul knows what existence type it is. It knows it's idea type word reality that exists in vision of an absolute perfect judge. That proves God. But furthermore, it knows, that material type existence is defined to be absence of idea/qualia type existence, yet that can't generate idea type existence and you know this with absolute certainty. It's just you have to reflect.

Stop saying "what if I'm not a soul", say, "what if I am soul, what can I know in this case".

Then it just a matter if you do know. If you are a soul, skies the limit on what you can know spiritually.

 

[Link]

I didn't remotely say that, I suggest you re-read my post.



Sigh, I don't believe you, and reeling off endless unevidenced assertions is not going to convince me.

Here, I've made a video on what I believe is the strongest argument for God in terms of convincing power:

 

[Sheldon]

Your soul knows what existence type it is. It knows it's idea type word reality that exists in vision of an absolute perfect judge. That proves God. But furthermore, it knows, that material type existence is defined to be absence of idea/qualia type existence, yet that can't generate idea type existence and you know this with absolute certainty. It's just you have to reflect.

Stop saying "what if I'm not a soul", say, "what if I am soul, what can I know in this case".

Then it just a matter if you do know. If you are a soul, skies the limit on what you can know spiritually.

You seem to be in the zone, but again I am an atheist, and unless you can demonstrate sufficient objective evidence for the claims you are making I will continue to disbelieve them.

 

[Sheldon]

Here, I've made a video on what I believe is the strongest argument for God in terms of convincing power:

No thanks, that video started with an unevidenced assumptions, and labelled it a proof, I'm not interested in watching videos making endless unevidenced assertions thanks. If you can demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity then please do so, and I will give it due diligence, and with an open mind.

 

[Link]

No thanks, that video started with an unevidenced assumptions, and labelled it a proof, I'm not interested in watching videos making endless unevidenced assertions thanks. If you can demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity then please do so, and I will give it due diligence, and with an open mind.

You don't understand the argument.

 

[Link]

You seem to be in the zone, but again I am an atheist, and unless you can demonstrate sufficient objective evidence for the claims you are making I will continue to disbelieve them.

Looking within has to be the start. Why do you believe it's possible you are generated by flesh and that your deeds are all accounted to by your brain and that your value is generated by the brain, as oppose to a metaphysical type existence and spiritual system that generates your value and holds you accountable to your deeds? To me, the brain can't generate me. It's like a phone with internet the body is. The internet is bigger and beyond the individual computer/phone. We are beyond the body, the body is just an interaction tool with the world, part of the program of God and abstraction to test us. Our truest form exists in God's vision and perfect judgment. We are value which is subjectively judged per capacity of the judges. The only accurate value is in God's vision, and if he doesn't exist, it's chaotic winds with no reality and we would be a total illusion.

 

[Sheldon]

You don't understand the argument.

What argument?

 

[Sheldon]

Looking within has to be the start.

You mean like a scan or an X ray?

Why do you believe it's possible you are generated by flesh and that your deeds are all accounted to by your brain and that your value is generated by the brain, as oppose to a metaphysical type existence and spiritual system that generates your value and holds you accountable to your deeds?

What? I have read that three times, and I see the question mark at the end, but I have no idea what you're asking, or why.

To me, the brain can't generate me. It's like a phone with internet the body is. The internet is bigger and beyond the individual computer/phone. We are beyond the body, the body is just an interaction tool with the world, part of the program of God and abstraction to test us. Our truest form exists in God's vision and perfect judgment. We are value which is subjectively judged per capacity of the judges. The only accurate value is in God's vision, and if he doesn't exist, it's chaotic winds with no reality and we would be a total illusion.

So can you demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity?

 

[RAYYAN]

So can you demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity?

I don't think anyone can demonstrate or show you the existence of God if you can't see it yourself.

 

[ppp]

I don't think anyone can demonstrate or show you the existence of God if you can't see it yourself.

What reason do I have to believe that you see, or have the capability to see the existence of any gods?

 

[Spirit of Light]

So, serious question. If I say to somebody that they have constructed a straw man, what do you think that I mean? I am not trying to embarrass you. I am just trying to determine if what you are hearing is the same as what is being said.

It could mean a weak argument, so ehen you or your discussion buddies call something a straw man falacy, they telling the other person that their argument is weak.