mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, I beleive like you, but I can't tell if you that it is so or believe it is so.
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atheism and fear of death
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Well, I beleive like you, but I can't tell if you that it is so or believe it is so.
Awareness remains whether under general anesthetic or in a deep sleep state. If you were not aware, would you be able to claim the nothing you experienced?
As I see it, these states (along the state of not living) are an experience of absence, not an absence of experience.
You're not wrong. Intelligence is a product of the brain, and intelligence is the ability to apply knowledge. So without a functioning brain, there is nothing to know one is. Therefore, one just is.
Matter to whom?
Yes and died several times, I didn't notice any difference, in fact i didn't notice anything.
Madsaac
Active Member
Wow.
Yeah so that suggests to me, that we'll be 'asleep' forever........................
Asleep you dream, dead is nothing.
Madsaac
Active Member
Awareness remains whether under general anesthetic or in a deep sleep state. If you were not aware, would you be able to claim the nothing you experienced?
As I see it, these states (along the state of not living) are an experience of absence, not an absence of experience.
You're not wrong. Intelligence is a product of the brain, and intelligence is the ability to apply knowledge. So without a functioning brain, there is nothing to know one is. Therefore, one just is.
Matter to whom?
I don't know how to multi quote.
I can claim my experience of not being aware, only because I woke up and couldn't remember a thing.
Don't really understand the absence quote, sounds like the same thing me, ends up being the same, doesn't it?
Yes it won't matter to me, because I'm dead. Is that what you mean?
Madsaac
Active Member
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
My friend, please don't try and confuse me
Well, I am trying to figure out when you claim knowledge and when you claim no knowledge, but opinion. That is all.
So you're aware that there is not a thing to remember. Awareness didn't stop.
No. In that state, one experiences absence. One is still aware one is experiencing nothing. One's awareness doesn't stop experiencing. It is experiencing and absence of time, space, and causation.Don't really understand the absence quote, sounds like the same thing me, ends up being the same, doesn't it?
In a manner of speaking, yes. Life only matters to that which is alive. But what is this "I" that is aware?
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Why wouldn't that be rational?
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
Claiming 100% certainty on pretty much any conclusion in this kind of area would be irrational. Most people who would claim 100% certainty in any direction probably don't really feel that deep down anyway, they just find the doubt too scary to acknowledge.
Are you going for some "all human knowledge has some uncertainty" angle here or do you have something specific to this issue?
Personally, I think that the non-existence of an afterlife is consistent with all human experience I've ever heard of, and any mechanism I could think of to allow an afterlife would be incompatible with well-supported aspects of out understanding of nature.
This makes my certainty pretty close to as certain as a human being can be. If you want to quibble and say that "as certain as a human being can be" is less than perfect certainty, I'd probably concede the point while thinking that you were being kinda pedantic.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If that was the case we wouldn't be here right now as living beings.
Have you ever been under a general anaesthetic, like for surgery? Many, many people have. How do you think the anaesthesiologist makes your consciousness "go away," because I assure you, it isn't there. You have no memory of being sliced open and bits of you removed.
Nobody, not a single person, has ever seen a consciousness without a living, working brain. The reason nobody knew what they were doing before they were born is that they didn't yet have a living, working brain. Under anaesthesia, your brain is still living, but is not working properly due to chemicals poured into it. When you do, you will again have no living, working brain. Where do you think consciousness is going to come from?
I am not looking forward to dying, as perhaps the process might be painful. And yet, I am not afraid of being dead, though at 76, it can't be far away.
We Never Know
No Slack
During one surgery on my right hand when I was under anesthesia, I regained consciousness, looked at the people to my right side and said "are youns about done".I don't know how to multi quote.
I can claim my experience of not being aware, only because I woke up and couldn't remember a thing.
Don't really understand the absence quote, sounds like the same thing me, ends up being the same, doesn't it?
Yes it won't matter to me, because I'm dead. Is that what you mean?
They all about **** themselves lol.
Funny thing is I remember doing that but I don't remember anything right before or after that.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's true. It's why I think consciousness isn't a single phenomenon, but a result of collective communications from multiple organisms that grant a cumulative single experience as being one cohesive organism.
Essentially, I think we are cohesive organic mechs. A community of organisms working together as one where consciousness is magnified through an amazing chain of communication.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I also believe in an afterlife, and I am not particularly afraid of death, though I do wonder HOW I will die. I mean, I don't really look forward to dying but I am pretty content about it, if that makes sense.
My late husband had a terrific death, though it was too soon (he was 62). He died quickly and suddenly of a massive heart attack. I wonder how he felt that day? I wonder if he had any premonitions? I spoke to him just a few hours before he died, and he didn't seem to be acting or feeling strange. He would have made a terrible patient so I am glad that it was over very quickly in his case.
My late husband had a terrific death, though it was too soon (he was 62). He died quickly and suddenly of a massive heart attack. I wonder how he felt that day? I wonder if he had any premonitions? I spoke to him just a few hours before he died, and he didn't seem to be acting or feeling strange. He would have made a terrible patient so I am glad that it was over very quickly in his case.
We Never Know
No Slack
Are not wanting to die yet or not ready to die yet considered to be a fear to die?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Oh. I didn't feel that way at all, but I did immediately enroll in grief counseling. I only felt guilty over not taking him to the hospital, as if I could have forced that man into my car (not happening), and then I only felt it at the very beginning. It's been nearly four years now and I feel good overall., though the loss of that man and the love of my life hurts sometimes.