Atheism is not a default position

[idav]

I see, judgement.

My beef is in conflating "not believe" with making no statement of belief--one is negation, the other elimination. In eliminating a statement about belief, we also fail to make a statement about that which is believed. In other words, if "atheism" doesn't make a statement about belief in god, then it isn't itself about belief in god, and so it isn't a-theism.

It's just a. Eh.

Things belief is based on faith, on things not known. Not making a statement of belief and saying idk to an unknown is perfectly reasonable but still lacks the required qualities of theism.

 

[leibowde84]

Indeed.

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[Willamena]

Things belief is based on faith, on things not known. Not making a statement of belief and saying idk to an unknown is perfectly reasonable but still lacks the required qualities of theism.

Being incapable of making a statement of belief, though, says nothing about belief, faith, or knowledge.

 

[leibowde84]

I see, judgement.

My beef is in conflating "not believe" with making no statement of belief--one is negation, the other elimination. In eliminating a statement about belief, we also fail to make a statement about that which is believed. In other words, if "atheism" doesn't make a statement about belief in god, then it isn't itself about belief in god, and so it isn't a-theism.

It's just a. Eh.

Do you think this is untrue?

How can you ignore that those 2h

Being incapable of making a statement of belief, though, says nothing about belief, faith, or knowledge.

I think the main issue is that you assume that recognition or consciousness of the concept in question is necessary. Why is that?

 

[idav]

Being incapable of making a statement of belief, though, says nothing about belief, faith, or knowledge.

I am not saying being incapable, simply not making a leap of faith into unknowns.

 

[leibowde84]

I am not saying being incapable, simply not making a leap of faith into unknowns.

I know a plethora of people here in DC that fit this description. They identify as atheists, as they don't believe in God or gods.

 

[Willamena]

Do you think this is untrue?

I think it's true--I wouldn't bother to argue it, otherwise.

How can you ignore that those 2h

I think the main issue is that you assume that recognition or consciousness of the concept in question is necessary. Why is that?

I don't know what 2h is.

It's necessary to have something to believe in order to believe. Hence, the proposition.

 

[leibowde84]

I think it's true--I wouldn't bother to argue it, otherwise.


I don't know what 2h is.

It's necessary to have something to believe in order to believe.

Ok, but we aren't talking about believing in something, but rather not holding a belief in something.

 

[Willamena]

I am not saying being incapable, simply not making a leap of faith into unknowns.

What unknowns?

 

[Willamena]

Ok, but we aren't talking about believing in something, but rather not holding a belief in something.

Not if we're talking about people ignorant of god. In that case, we're talking about people believing in nothing.

 

[McBell]

What unknowns?

um...
gods existence...

Just for starters

 

[McBell]

Not if we're talking about people ignorant of god. In that case, we're talking about people believing in nothing.

How does someone "believe" in 'nothing'?

An example would be nice.

 

[Willamena]

How does someone "believe" in 'nothing'?

An example would be nice.

Proposing the possibility of believing in something they've never heard or conceived of.

 

[McBell]

Proposing the possibility of believing in something they've never heard or conceived of.

Who is making such a proposal?

No examples?

 

[Willamena]

Who is making such a proposal?

No examples?

The example is the people who propose that atheist applies to the man who is ignorant of god.

 

[McBell]

The example is the people who propose that atheist applies to the man who is ignorant of god.

What belief are they proposing the man who is ignorant of god have?

 

[Willamena]

What belief are they proposing the man who is ignorant of god have?

Absolutely nothing. Certainly not anything about belief in god.

 

[McBell]

Absolutely nothing.

Please reveal the post number where this proposal allegedly took place.

 

[McBell]

Absolutely nothing. Certainly not anything about belief in god.

So you claim that someone is proposing that a man who is ignorant of god have absolutely no beliefs whatsoever?

 

[Willamena]

Please reveal the post number where this proposal allegedly took place.

There is no such post. Rather, it is the topic of the thread.