Shushersbedamned
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An atheist that does not believe in a higher being.First tell me what you think a "true atheist" is.
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An atheist that does not believe in a higher being.First tell me what you think a "true atheist" is.
Then there are countless examples:An atheist that does not believe in a higher being.
I would still appreciate you hold on to it. And now I would also appreciate your definition and the reason it is more correct than mine.First tell me what you think a "true atheist" is.
As I said, your definition appears to be incorrect. I probably could show you examples, but if your definition is wrong then you will simply deny that they are atheists.
Sorry to say that God does not operate that way... God does not want to PROVE He exists to us... He wants us to prove He exists to ourselves. God wants us to look at the evidence He provides and make our own decision. Once we have verified the evidence for ourselves then we know God exists.We don't like it, for a variety of reasons. Principally because it's not actual, unbiased evidence.
No, you do not have faith first. You look at the evidence first. Then once you are certain that the evidence is from God, there is no more need for faith, because you know God exists.In other words? For this "evidence" to actually BE "evidence" one has to have faith... first.
And once you have faith-- you can literally believe in anything at all, regardless...
Therefore? You don't actually have evidence.
Bertrand Russell made a lot of theories about god and it's existence but is not in the end an atheist.Then there are countless examples:
atheist philosophers - Google Search
Bertrand Russel may be the most famous you will see in that search.
No, believers do not believe first, not unless they are foolish. They look at the evidence first, and then they believe if the evidence is sufficient for them.Because believers believe first. And once they take that step? They really don't need actual "evidence"...
Bertrand Russell made a lot of theories about god and it's existence but is not in the end an atheist.
The human mind creates the belief as soon as any stimulation is given.No, believers do not believe first, not unless they are foolish. They look at the evidence first, and then they believe if the evidence is sufficient for them.
Just answer the questions.Really? I would like to see some evidence that supports that claim. Meanwhile there are countless others in that list. I am betting that you will contradict your own "definition".
That is a gross generalization.Atheists tend to be rational thinkers, theists . . . not so much.
I answered your question. Now it is your turn.Just answer the questions.
The evidence God provides is insufficient for atheists, but it is sufficient for beleivers... Why is that?
Maybe that would be an interesting subject for a new thread. On that thread one might ask why the existence of God should be verifiable. Why does God owe us that?
That is a gross generalization.
Do you have any evidence to back that up, or is it just a personal opinion?
You didn't define a real atheist, tell me your definiton, why it is more correct than mine and the philosophers.I answered your question. Now it is your turn.
Have you ever said to anyone 'I don't believe you'? If you have, what did you mean by that?Whatever the stance they have whether it is 'Agnostic Atheism' or 'Gnostic Atheism' or any point in between them, it remains a belief in relation to "God doesn't exist" (and or "God exists"), none of them make science. Right, please?
Regards
I don't know what you mean by that.The human mind creates the belief as soon as any stimulation is given.
You didn't define a real atheist, tell me your definiton, why it is more correct than mine and the philosophers.
As soon as anything is felt with the senses and thoughts start flowing the mind creates beliefsI don't know what you mean by that.
It's the way the human mind works.
It does not matter what you call evidence. I say it is not necessarily real no matter how it fits your perception of reality.
You also called my definition wrong - so in order to not seem foolish you do need to define and explain.You used the phrase. I asked you to define one and then I found atheists that met your definition. Once again, I did not need to define the term since I went with the definition that you used.