ATHEIST ONLY: Atheist View On Abortion

[leahrachelle]

This kind of attitude isn't going to help you with the "learning" part of your title. You should share your views, but you shouldn't be afraid of change, and you certainly shouldn't assume everyone is trying to change you. It's a discussion/debate. Everyone puts in their ideas and the best way to approach it is to absorb the others' ideas. If you disagree with them after reflection, then, by all means, object.

You misunderstood. Yes, I want to LEARN. But like you said, this is a discussion/debate. And yes, I feel that a lot of people are more trying to change me than they are actually debating. Which I do feel offended by. If I change during the course of a debate, fine - I learned. But I did not create this thread here to BE CHANGED.

 

[rojse]

You misunderstood. Yes, I want to LEARN. But like you said, this is a discussion/debate. And yes, I feel that a lot of people are more trying to change me than they are actually debating. Which I do feel offended by. If I change during the course of a debate, fine - I learned. But I did not create this thread here to BE CHANGED.

What do you see as the difference between debate for the sake of debate and debate for the sake of changing someone's ideas? After all, is that not why you began this thread?

 

[leahrachelle]

What do you see as the difference between debate for the sake of debate and debate for the sake of changing someone's ideas? After all, is that not why you began this thread?

What? To be changed? No

 

[GiantHouseKey]

When we speak, we teach
When we listen, we learn

I think that a change in what you think and a change in how you think are being mistakenly considered to be the same thing.

Do you see change as being a bad thing?

GhK.

 

[leahrachelle]

Do you see change as being a bad thing?

GhK.[/quote]
No, of course not. But like you said - change in what you think and how you think are different.

 

[GiantHouseKey]

It's good that you think that way too

(BTW, this is straying from the OP a little, à chance?)

GhK.

 

[leahrachelle]

It's good that you think that way too

(BTW, this is straying from the OP a little, à chance?)

GhK.

Ha well, it is my thread I guess

 

[rockondon]

Personally, I like change. If I change what or how I think that means I've been introduced to something new and I have discarded something in favor of something better. Those who are reluctant to change are resistant to personal growth as well.

As for abortion, I'm pro-choice in the sense that what they do is really none of my business.

 

[Magic Man]

No, of course, but I would say there's a good bit.

I doubt it. However, that's irrelevant. The point is that the majority don't convince themselves of anything to make themselves feel better.

I don't personally find a person's life to be important if they take away the rights of anothers. I don't support the death penalty, but if they are killed, I could care less.

So, basically, not all life is sacred, only some life. Also, that mother isn't taking anyone's rights away, you are. That mother has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So, by telling her that she can't have an abortion, you're taking away some of her rights. Therefore, you are saying you don't find your own life important.

(Also, I can't help myself: It's "I couldn't care less". Saying "I could care less" means you do care enough to be able to care less.)

 

[Magic Man]

You misunderstood. Yes, I want to LEARN. But like you said, this is a discussion/debate. And yes, I feel that a lot of people are more trying to change me than they are actually debating. Which I do feel offended by. If I change during the course of a debate, fine - I learned. But I did not create this thread here to BE CHANGED.

Well, again, your attitude is not very conducive to learning. The only way people are trying to change you is to get you to understand other points of view. It's perfectly possible to understand a different point of view and still disagree with it and not be changed. However, if you go into a debate with the intention of not being changed no matter what, then there's no reason for you to go into the debate at all.

 

[rojse]

What? To be changed? No

No, did you begin this thread to change the mind of others?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

leahrachelle

The fact of the matter is this is all YOUR opinion. I'm pro-choice but that's how I see it. I wouldn't presume to speak for others. I can only speak for me.

I think abortions should be done in a licensed clinic. I think that the 3rd trimester for abortion should be off limits unless it is a threat to the mother's health or life. I think that if the 3rd trimester is the point of no return then the child should be brought to term and put up for adoption. Additionally, I'm for abortion in the case of rape and incest......Again, that's me. Others may not agree with me and that is their right.

 

[leahrachelle]

So, basically, not all life is sacred, only some life. Also, that mother isn't taking anyone's rights away, you are. That mother has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So, by telling her that she can't have an abortion, you're taking away some of her rights. Therefore, you are saying you don't find your own life important.

But again, I don't feel that they have the right to abort. So I do not feel I am taking their rights away.

(Also, I can't help myself: It's "I couldn't care less". Saying "I could care less" means you do care enough to be able to care less.)

Ha sorry, that's the way I've always heard it..

 

[leahrachelle]

No, did you begin this thread to change the mind of others?

No, I was just curious how other atheists felt about this

 

[leahrachelle]

leahrachelle

The fact of the matter is this is all YOUR opinion. I'm pro-choice but that's how I see it. I wouldn't presume to speak for others. I can only speak for me.

I think abortions should be done in a licensed clinic. I think that the 3rd trimester for abortion should be off limits unless it is a threat to the mother's health or life. I think that if the 3rd trimester is the point of no return then the child should be brought to term and put up for adoption. Additionally, I'm for abortion in the case of rape and incest......Again, that's me. Others may not agree with me and that is their right.

And this is YOUR opinion. I don't know what point you're trying to make by saying all of this is my opinion..? Of course it is. And what each and every person here says is their opinion.

 

[Magic Man]

But again, I don't feel that they have the right to abort. So I do not feel I am taking their rights away.

Regardless of that, they do have the right to do what they want with their own bodies. You're taking away that right. You're telling them what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

Ha sorry, that's the way I've always heard it..

I know. A lot of people say it that way. It's just a pet peeve of mine.

 

[GiantHouseKey]

Greetings

You're telling them what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

Is it not the issue of telling women they can and cannot do with their own bodies, but what women can and cannot do with another person's body?

GhK.

 

[Magic Man]

Greetings


Is it not the issue of telling women they can and cannot do with their own bodies, but what women can and cannot do with another person's body?

GhK.

Either way, you're telling them what they can and can't do with their own bodies. You can phrase it differently, if you want, but that doesn't actually change it.

 

[GiantHouseKey]

Either way, you're telling them what they can and can't do with their own bodies. You can phrase it differently, if you want, but that doesn't actually change it.

Oh sorry! I think you misunderstood what I meant. The body I was referring to is the body of the unborn child. Sorry if my post was unclear, it's not uncommon for me to seem a little vague.

GhK.

 

[Magic Man]

Oh sorry! I think you misunderstood what I meant. The body I was referring to is the body of the unborn child. Sorry if my post was unclear, it's not uncommon for me to seem a little vague.

GhK.

No, I understood what you meant. My response was that that baby is still part of the mother's body, in which case you're telling the mother what to do with her body.