prometheus11
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What do you have against dead people?
Well, what about brain dead or coma? Someone in coma, then wake up, were they atheists during the coma period?
As long as we agree that babies are atheists, we'd have to.
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"Atheist"--the term itself
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As long as we agree that babies are atheists, we'd have to.
prometheus11
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Strong atheists believe ABOUT God, not in him. They still lack belief IN God.
Fixed that for you.
Indubitably. Perhaps we should dispense with the repetitious nature of the stating our views.
You can have whatever definition you want, you can't expect anyone else to hold to it. Would you agree that those are two fair statements?
Emotional appeal to family is not a rational avenue of discourse.
Do you consider it 100% equally valid for a fundamentalist Christian or Muslim to consider their child to have been born of their faith? If you acknowledge it equivalent in every way I will discontinue.
That failure of expectation exists on both sides. I have seen you, sans the emotional investment you bring to this discussion, operate with stellar logic.
Please evidence the word theos ever having been used as a descriptor of the beliefs of what we now call theistic people, especially comparative to the commiserate nature of greek atheos and english atheist. Or retract your claim of moved goalpost.
outhouse
Atheistically
My definition of dead people includes an after-life wherein they know about God, therefore all dead people are defined as theists.
According to the logic of this thread, if you disagree with that you must be heavily invested in rejecting the label of theist for dead people.
Is that a no, you can't evidence an equivalent meaning between theos and theist the same way one can evidence it between atheos and atheist?
outhouse
Atheistically
Fundamentalist should not be used against all atheist.
Lets just use theist.
Not all theist would claim their child is born their faith, most would.
If we have to play by your special rules, then I would think most if not all "fundamentalist Christian or Muslim" would claim such. Even though we know theism is a learned trait.
I was baptized and considered a little Lutheran at 11 months.
and we were far from fundamentalist.
Yup. They don't believe in non-existent things.
outhouse
Atheistically
You read into it, however you want.
I wrote it a very clear context of the ACTUAL meaning
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
I don't agree on that. Babies are neither. They don't have the cognitive ability nor are they informed to be anything.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Yep. They lack belief alright.
outhouse
Atheistically
It has nothing to do with emotions.
It is just the way MANY people chose to describe aspects of their lives in what is Important to them personally.
I could argue your so emotionally against the idea you wont let it go, even though the definition is quite clear in the encyclopedias. But its not worth it.
Implicit atheism has its place in society, even if small and barely used.
Some strong atheists don't lack for impossibilities.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
We all have to draw a line.
outhouse
Atheistically
That's just it, one does not need to reject theism to be a atheist.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Irrelevant.
Not really.
outhouse
Atheistically
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_and_explicit_atheism
"Implicit atheism" is defined as "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it",
"Absence of theistic belief" encompasses all forms of non-belief in deities. This would categorize as implicit atheists those adults who have never heard of the concept of deities, and those adults who have not given the idea any real consideration. Also included are agnostics who assert they do not believe in any deities (even if they claim not to be atheists). Children are also included, though, depending on the author, it may or may not also include newborn babies.
"Implicit atheism" is defined as "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it",
"Absence of theistic belief" encompasses all forms of non-belief in deities. This would categorize as implicit atheists those adults who have never heard of the concept of deities, and those adults who have not given the idea any real consideration. Also included are agnostics who assert they do not believe in any deities (even if they claim not to be atheists). Children are also included, though, depending on the author, it may or may not also include newborn babies.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
I draw the line where the ability to make informed decisions and have cognitive abilities to know if he/she believes or not. It's not just lacking belief, but knowing that you lack belief in a thing that you have some understanding of what it's supposed to be.
Just so. "Atheist" is not an ontological and objective reality.