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Atheists: does God exist?
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Trailblazer
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Of course He does.
Reasoning is not subjective. There is one proper way to do it (valid, fallacy-free reasoning) and an unlimited number of improper ways. It's just like adding. It's not a matter of how one prefers to add numbers, and all sums are not equally valid. There is only one correct sum. The evidence you cite to support your beliefs simply doesn't say to me what you say it says to you. At least one of us is interpreting it incorrectly, and after years of making medical diagnoses and playing bridge hands successfully, I've become a fairly competent logician. Both are just collecting and analyzing data to draw conclusions that are then tested.
You have a feeling, not a connection or relationship.
That's what gaslighters say to their victims: 'Just trust me. I could give you evidence, but I need you to believe me without it as a test.' If anybody ever tells you that, run.
Power? Power is NOT doing that. Power is mastering critical thought.
I'm good with that. Doesn't sound like somebody I'd like to know, which why "separation from God" sounds great, not a punishment. I'm separate from all gods now and am quite content with that. If there's an afterlife, hopefully it contains no gods, or that we can carry on without them.
I think the fact you have to qualify what is “reasonable” more likely than not shows that what you’d put forth as evidence of god is, in fact, unreasonable.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not have to qualify what is “reasonable.”
But you do. I think Ain’t Necessarily So pointed that out above.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Show me where and how I did that.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Actually it is the opposite. If the "evidence" is subjective, then it is not evidence at all. If I say, "I feeeeel like my cat is human, therefore my cat is a human," that would be pretty ridiculous.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I said: What is reasonable evidence is a subjective determination so ....
I meant that whether or not evidence is 'reasonable' is a matter of personal opinion.
I did not mean that the evidence itself should be subjective.
But while we are on the topic, what do you think would constitute 'objective evidence' for God's existence?
What ever you put forward will be subjective. That’s already been explained.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Ah, okay. I get you now.
What is reasonable evidence is flawless logic and scientific studies. My saying this is not "subjective." It is based on the success rate of these two methods. If we are in a pinch, we may have to resort to something less accurate, but in such cases we should be acutely aware of just how unreliable and unreasonable that evidence is.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Likewise, what ever you put forward will be subjective, since it is only your personal opinion.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Do you think that there is any evidence for God that meets this standard?
How can evidence for God be subject to logic and scientific studies?
Totally false.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That is only your personal opinion. We all have those.
God of abrahmic religions exists to a great many,thousands exist to many too,personally I see no ships.
No matter how many times you say it doesn’t make it true. You have no reasonable evidence god exists. Your subjective feelings are not evidence.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
My saying it doesn’t make it true. I have reasonable evidence that God exists. My subjective feelings are not the evidence.
Messengers of God are the evidence for God, and they are not subjective evidence, they are objective evidence.
Subjective evidence is evidence that we cannot evaluate. In fact, we have two choices; to accept what somebody says or reject it.
Objective evidence is evidence that we can examine and evaluate for ourselves.
Objective evidence - definition and meaning - Market Business News
Objective evidence is evidence that is based on irrefutable proof. We can prove it through analysis, measurement, and observation.
marketbusinessnews.com
Subjective evidence is subjective evidence because it is personal and we cannot evaluate it for ourselves.
Messengers of God are objective evidence since we can examine and evaluate the Messengers for ourselves.
For example, we can examine and evaluate the evidence for Baha'u'llah for ourselves because there are actual facts surrounding the Person, the Life, and the Mission of Baha'u'llah.
This closes the case.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Nope. I have always maintained that God can be neither proven nor disproven. My belief in God is not based on proof.
You’re right. Closes the case on you. “Messengers of God” is not evidence. If I say Messengers of God told me my cat is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ is that evidence that my cat is, in fact, Jesus?My saying it doesn’t make it true. I have reasonable evidence that God exists. My subjective feelings are not the evidence.
Messengers of God are the evidence for God, and they are not subjective evidence, they are objective evidence.
Subjective evidence is evidence that we cannot evaluate. In fact, we have two choices; to accept what somebody says or reject it.
Objective evidence is evidence that we can examine and evaluate for ourselves.
Objective evidence - definition and meaning - Market Business News
Objective evidence is evidence that is based on irrefutable proof. We can prove it through analysis, measurement, and observation.
Subjective evidence is subjective evidence because it is personal and we cannot evaluate it for ourselves.
Messengers of God are objective evidence since we can examine and evaluate the Messengers for ourselves.
For example, we can examine and evaluate the evidence for Baha'u'llah for ourselves because there are actual facts surrounding the Person, the Life, and the Mission of Baha'u'llah.
This closes the case.