Jesus said MANY would come 'in his name ' but prove false - Matthew 7:21-23
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Atheists have faith.
- Thread starter TransmutingSoul
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Jesus also said that True Prophets would again come, and that only those that accepted the New Name would see that to be so.
Regards Tony
He also said he would return soon.
If it is actual knowledge then there is a method for objective human minds to discern this from facts. These people haven't shared this method or the facts.
Or it is believers who are exaggerating their belief that a God exists and making an unethical claim that they have knowledge..
Which do you think it is?
So you admit that energy isn't creative, as you claimed it was?
Do any physicists refer to the laws of physics as a source code? If not, then your claim it is has no foundation.
Oh, then synonyms would be confidence, understanding, trust, etc., and none of this is related to religious faith. It's just the usual type of self-awareness that a person will acknowledge to themselves as they go about their day.
It's like: I have faith that I will get my work done today. The work is an actual set of tasks, they get done as I spend time tending to my list. None of this can be compared to an irrational belief in some sort of god concept, or other similar religious beliefs.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
God exists is not the kind of knowledge that can be discerned from facts.
I have shared the method and it is called individual investigation of truth.
It is neither one. Believers have knowledge of God but it is not factual knowledge because God cannot be proven to exist as a fact.
Please note that there is more than one kind of knowledge, thus there is more than one way to know something.
Definition of knowledge
1 a (1) : the fact or condition of knowing something with familiarity gained through experience or association
(2) : acquaintance with or understanding of a science, art, or technique
b (1) : the fact or condition of being aware of something
(2) : the range of one's information or understanding
c : the circumstance or condition of apprehending truth or fact through reasoning : cognition
d : the fact or condition of having information or of being learned
2 a : the sum of what is known : the body of truth, information, and principles acquired by humankind
b archaic : a branch of learning
Definition of KNOWLEDGE
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Jesus did not say that He would return; He said that we would see the Son of man coming in the clouds with power and great glory.
It's not knowledge that is objective or credible. It's just another disingenuous bluff that some theists try to get away with, but don't.
It's just another fraudulent claim that ethical and objective thinkers won't let theists get away with.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
How can it be a religion of "No religion" when you've just said it's a religion?
Yeah, atheism is not a religion.
My statement is based on facts. And you cannot honestly deny that, wlll you can do is create apologetic excuses for misogyny
Personal opinion is what i got based on facts. As strong as your personal opinion regards to your faith.
Accurate enough.
Irrelevant Straw man.
PureX
Veteran Member
Stop being such a child. If you can't offer any real rebuttal, then don't offer one.
(Another absurdly weak objection. "The sacred priests of science call it "Allah", not "God", so God doesn't exist!")
And yet that is what they are. As they do determine that nature of existence as it is. An existence that is happening as the result of a highly organized, balanced, and mighty expression of energy.
wandering peacefully
Which way to the woods?
Atheists don't call it religious faith because living as a decent human being doesn't require religious faith. It requires being brought up as a human or later learning as a human, that it is best for the survival of our families, neighbors and other humans, and nature if we live and act as decent human beings.
I see a whole bunch of posts later you still fail to understand that being an atheist means we don't believe in or need God(s) help and especially not "faith" to be decent people.
The fact that there are some aspects of religion and various religions that may also teach that being a decent human is a good thing, does not mean those ideas are only for God believers. It does not even mean those ideas originated in religious thought. It means religions have adopted those ideas and teach them but for all the wrong reasons. They promote it out of fear of what will happen to you when you die if you don't follow their particular religious doctrines and don't believe in their version of God. They threaten punishment from an imaginary source if one doesn't fall in line with their dogmas. They use humans natural fear of death and the unknown in order to make adherents tow the line.
Religious people have beliefs that anyone who has any morals or ethics and is a decent human being must have gotten them from God. And believe that somewhere deep inside those atheists really do believe that their goodness has to come from faith in God whether they know it or not.
Just not the case. For the final time, atheists do not have anything close to what you believe is faith in order to do good works, be empathetic, caring, loving, kind and decent people. So no, atheists do not have faith. Religious faith does not have the exclusive rights on being a good person. In fact, many who have religious faith don't come close to being decent humans.
I think if you were to drop this idea that somehow atheists have faith or that their goodness must come from a god, you might actually be able to understand atheists. Try reading up a bit on Secular humanism, the ideas, the works, the morals and ethics. If your religion will allow that type of "independent investigation" without the fear of becoming ungodly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sec...simply called,of morality and decision making.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
So is my statement, except I have many more facts than you have since I am a Baha'i.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
I know about the "new name" thing in Revelation, but where did Jesus say that "True Prophets" would come again?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The new name is not only mentioned in Revelation.
Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.
Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Revelation 3:12-13 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
The Bible says he would come with a new name, so we know he would not be called Jesus. The new name means that the return of Christ would be another man. Why would Jesus change his name if he wanted people to know He was Jesus? Sadly, Christians do not bother to think about what these verses actually mean -- what the Spirit saith unto the churches -- yet they have completely disregarded what the Spirit said because they STILL believe that the same Jesus is going to come down from heaven on the clouds.
What does your faith havecto do with facts? The fact is your faith bars women from the top tier. You can make any excuse you want for that but it makes no difference to the fact
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Women would only be barred if they wanted to get in. I know no women who want to get in.
Bar
prevent or prohibit (someone) from doing something or from going somewhere.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=bar+meaning
They obviously dont want to waste their time.
Bar, precisely, prevent, that is the way the men have set it up
A decent human being, so who sets those standards?
Let's consider where do most of the standards come from, as they have evolved and been taught to get to where we are now.
We could explore the question would one be happy with a way of life that the leaders of China offer? They have tried to do away with religious standards and impart men's standards?
How about the way the Drug Cartels live their lives, without following law on these matters, they set their own laws and they are happy and content with their life, do we choose those standards? If not why not, what human can say their choices are wrong?
It is all so easy these days to think that our moral standards are our own and in a way they are, and in another they are not. They are a capacity we have, but nature and nurture must bring them out of us and an education is needed. The virtues are a spiritual manifestation of our capacity to be more than an animal.
I see all moral and ethical standards practiced that build civilization can be traced to a spiritual message and lack of those morals and standards can be traced back to our rejection of the standards brought by spiritual messages from God.
Regards Tony
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