Atheists: If there's no God, then where did the world come from?

[angellous_evangellous]

You all just don't $%#@%% get it.
Whatever. The reality came from nothing, I suppose. That is the only other explanation.

Why is it the only other explanation?

No one is arguing that "reality came from nothing." Nobody.

 

[McBell]

Something outside the plane of reality did it.

How do you come to this assumption?

This same thing must be infinite, having no beginning or end.

What do you base this assumption on?

It must also have will, as cause and effect is a domino effect.

This assumption is based on what, exactly?

Without an initial will, the dominoes do not tumble.

You assume there had to be a beginning for the world, but not for god?
Where did you get this completely unsubstantiatable idea?

Sounds a whole lot like God to me

Sounds like a whole lot of assumptions being presented to support a whole lot of assumptions to me.

Perhaps it would help if you were to present the logic that connects your assumptions.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Perhaps it would help if you were to present the logic that connects your assumptions.

Perhaps you just don't ******* get it, Mestemia.

Just like the rest of us.

 

[waitasec]

You all just don't $%#@%% get it.
Whatever. The reality came from nothing, I suppose. That is the only other explanation.
But wait, you all have admitted that something cannto come from nothing.

Religious bias my ***. How about logic.

you are limiting the possibilities by way of the audacious statement that there can only be ONE other way...

open your mind...

ever loose something and when you stop looking for it it turns up some how?
it's because you have limited yourself of all the possible places it could be...

 

[McBell]

What I explained was much more significant than silly putty.

ONLY because you personally put "much more significance" in god than you do in silly putty.

There are peope who put more significance in silly putty because silly putty can be shown to be real.

Thus far, your argument seems to be supporting the idea that your god is not real.

Denial complex.

Yes, your denial really hampers discussion with you.

The only thing delusional is trying to put a scientific value on something science cannot be explained scientifically.

You are the one with the wild unsubstantiatable claims.

So like I said, do some critical thinking before you make a fool of yourselves and insult me.

You seem to not know the difference between critical thinking and ratification.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Religious bias my ***. How about logic.
I have seen none of you be able to prescribe anything except insults.

Ah - so that's why you haven't been responding to my posts: you just cant see them. I'm sorry for your selective "blindness".

 

[Magic Man]

You all just don't $%#@%% get it.
Whatever. The reality came from nothing, I suppose. That is the only other explanation.
But wait, you all have admitted that something cannto come from nothing.

Religious bias my ***. How about logic.
I have seen none of you be able to prescribe anything except insults.

I have officially proven, after all this time, the biased thought behind so called 'rationalists'.

Do you feel better now?

Yes, something cannot come from nothing in our universe. That includes God. "Something cannot come from nothing" is not an argument for God. If you need an explanation for where the universe came from, you'd need the same one for the creator of the universe. Except that you're satisfied with that answer and don't feel the need to probe any further. To be logically consistent, either:

The universe has to have come from somewhere, and God would also need to have come from somehwere.

or

The universe existed eternally with no need for a creator.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

Ah - so that's why you haven't been responding to my posts: you just cant see them. I'm sorry for your selective "blindness".

Like this?

You keep on making contradictory arguments:

- God isn't logical, but logic implies God.
- God isn't within "the plane of reality", but God is real.

You do realize that a contradictory statement can be safely rejected as invalid, right?

It's only contradictory to someone with selective thought.

There is nothing logical about whatever created the universe. It is the only logical explanation.
I'm illogical for knowing that such a thing created reality because it's the only thing that can?

Atheism can be safely rejected. I'm not going to be a sheep and follow a dead end logic like the kind you are throwing up.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

It's only contradictory to someone with selective thought.

:biglaugh:

 

[McBell]

You all just don't $%#@%% get it.
Whatever. The reality came from nothing, I suppose. That is the only other explanation.

Ah, not willing to give up on this strawman.

Well you are doing a right nice job of attacking it.

Perhaps when you get tired of all the non sequiturs, you will be kind enough to join the conversation in this thread?

But wait, you all have admitted that something cannto come from nothing.

No one has claimed that something came from nothing.
I mean, no one other than you claiming that someone claims that something comes from nothing.

I wonder how long you will beat up on that strawman.

Religious bias my ***.

Yeppers.
I suspect that is where your bias is coming from.

How about logic.

I have all but given up on your using logic.

If you are planning to use any logic in this thread, I think now would be a most excellent time to start.

I have seen none of you be able to prescribe anything except insults.

Try looking again without your "special" glasses.

I have officially proven, after all this time, the biased thought behind so called 'rationalists'.

Ah yes.
Right back to being a legend in your own mind.

Don't rip your arm out of socket patting yourself on your back.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Like this?

Hooray! You're cured!

Whew. You had me worried for a while there.

It's only contradictory to someone with selective thought.

What does this even mean?

There is nothing logical about whatever created the universe. It is the only logical explanation.
I'm illogical for knowing that such a thing created reality because it's the only thing that can?

You're illogical for arguing that logic does not apply to a thing while also trying to apply logic to it. No matter what, there's something wrong in your argument.

Atheism can be safely rejected. I'm not going to be a sheep and follow a dead end logic like the kind you are throwing up.

Quite right:

"Every complex question has a simple, easy-to-understand wrong answer."

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I'm not going to be a sheep and follow a dead end logic like the kind you are throwing up.

My goodness the irony is just killer.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

"Every complex question has a simple, easy-to-understand wrong answer."

Ha! These aren't wrong answers, though. Our friend is just throwing words up in the air that he doesn't understand and hoping that something sticks.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

You all are being incredibly foolish.

The universe came from something.

Where did it come from? Something else?
Where did that come from?
And so on and so on.

The only explanation is an infinite being of will.

There is just no other way around that fact.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

You all are being incredibly foolish.

The universe came from something.

Where did it come from? Something else?
Where did that come from?
And so on and so on.

The only explanation is an infinite being of will.

There is just no other way around that fact.

Hello, McFly!

No one here thinks that the universe came from nothing.

 

[waitasec]

The only explanation is an infinite being of will.

There is just no other way around that fact.

why do you want to limit yourself?

 

[McBell]

It's only contradictory to someone with selective thought.

Wow.
That is just to funny.
And you say with a straight face even.
Wow.

There is nothing logical about whatever created the universe. It is the only logical explanation.

Since you ahve not even come close to demonstrating this...

I'm illogical for knowing that such a thing created reality because it's the only thing that can?

You are illogical because you are not using logic.

I'm not going to be a sheep and follow a dead end logic like the kind you are throwing up.

Damn, you even got my backup meter with the same post!!

 

[Sum1sGruj]

why do you want to limit yourself?

It's not a limit, it's simply the end of the road of logic.

Some on here are just being idiots to avoid the ultimate truth. Philosophically, literally, scientifically, and obviously.

 

[waitasec]

I'm illogical for knowing that such a thing created reality because it's the only thing that can?

how do you know?

 

[McBell]

strawman alert!!
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you all are being incredibly foolish.

The universe came from something.

Where did it come from? Something else?
Where did that come from?
And so on and so on.

The only explanation is an infinite being of will.

There is just no other way around that fact.