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ATHEISTS ONLY: The 'problem' of Islam

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
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Japaholic

Member
" The average size of a penis in eastern Asia is quite a bit smaller than in the african american population. "

What on earth has that got to do with the price of fish?
 

Makaveli

Homoioi
This thread has gotten so off topic it must be realigned.

I think Islam, and by extension any other culture, is only a problem when it comes to a foreign country and then tries to remake that country in its own image. I classify these immigrant populations as "invasive movements," instead of "assimilating movements." From what I have observed, Islam in Europe has been trying to assert itself through intimidation, crime and lobbying. I have read studies and articles showing that Islamic immigrant populations commit high amounts of crime, rape, and murder disproportionate to the native population, and I have also seen how Islamic immigrants attempt to shape the social and cultural landscape of their new "home" by rioting and attempting to change the laws to suit them.

It's almost like the illegal Hispanic immigration problem we have in the American Southwest, with the exception that Hispanics (Mexicans, to be exact) had a foothold here until we drove them out 150 years ago, so I suppose the Reconquista has some air of legitimacy. Of course, they also share the other traits of the invasive movement of Islam by heightening crime and urban decay, but that's for another thread.

All in all, Islam should be put in its proper place as just another religion before it does some actual damage to the sociopolitical landscape of Europe. They're already quite cocksure as it is.
 

challupa

Well-Known Member
What non violent steps could we take,well i have made sure that my children are aware of what Islam is,its not just a religion its a way of life with only one reference book.
Any other religion is content with living in a secular country but with Muslims this isn't the case as they see state and religion as one and the same,they cannot accept any other religion and so are stuck in the 7th century.
As you so rightly say Sharia law is poking its ugly head into all of our countries,i would have a problem with any law that interferes with Law or Politics but what makes Sharia stand out is the Human rights issues that come with it.
If Muslim immigrants want Sharia law they should perhaps stay where they are or go to live in an Islamic state such as Iran or Saudi which have a rich menu of punishments via the Shia courts.
Believe me you are not the only one with this worry IMO every right thinking Human being has this worry,we just need to inform people what Islam is all about.
I agree there is cause for worry in many countries. However, not all muslims want a theocracy and that is why they moved to other non-muslim countries. So we see a mix of that. There are obviously some that are clinging to their courts in countries where this is not the law but not all muslims feel that way. Some want to practice their religion in a non-theocracy.

I realize I am quoting from the start of this thread and haven't read to the end yet. But wanted to throw that in when I was reading it. Or I will forget:yes:

I don't think this is just a problem with islam. The fundamentalists of any group are dangerous imo.
 
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Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I think the lack of Muslim assimilation you see in Europe might have something to do with the way Muslims are treated there. The US has a large Muslim population without having similar problems with assimilation.
 

kai

ragamuffin
I think the lack of Muslim assimilation you see in Europe might have something to do with the way Muslims are treated there. The US has a large Muslim population without having similar problems with assimilation.


i have mentioned this before but in Britain we have for decades had a policy of non assimilation trying to promote multi culturalism, which has brought nothing but alienation and sectarianism
 

Panda

42?
Premium Member
I don't think we should have to change our culture. If I was moving to another country I would expect myself to pick of their culture and not for them to adopt mine.
 

frg001

Complex bunch of atoms
I don't think we should have to change our culture. If I was moving to another country I would expect myself to pick of their culture and not for them to adopt mine.

Exactly.

A good reason I would rather eat my own arms than move to any theocracy, especially an Islamic one.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Forgive me for intruding, but do you think this is a legitimate concern? Or is it just one of those thoughts you can't get rid of?
 

frg001

Complex bunch of atoms
Forgive me for intruding, but do you think this is a legitimate concern? Or is it just one of those thoughts you can't get rid of?

I feel it is a legitimate concern. Many countries in Europe have a rapidly increasing Muslim population. I would hate to see the possibility of an Islamic biased government, or worse still a theocracy with all the horrors of Sharia law.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
I feel it is a legitimate concern. Many countries in Europe have a rapidly increasing Muslim population. I would hate to see the possibility of an Islamic biased government, or worse still a theocracy with all the horrors of Sharia law.
Yes; because Muslims are Islamists. /sarcasm
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Immigrants who not only refuse to integrate into or even respect the local law or culture of their adoptive country, but harbor hostilities towards it that they often act upon can indeed be a problem. For example, in some western nations, muslim immigrants have attacked and even raped local women for not wearing hijabs or burkas. Could you imaging being attacked in your own country by foreigners for something that's normal and socially acceptable in your own country? So such things can be a threat to people's rights, liberty and safty.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I don't understand why anyone would want to move to a nation if they don't find its culture and laws suitable to begin with. Instead of trying to adapt themselves, they try to force their surrounding society to adjust to them.
 
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