Atheists:what does a book gotta have to prove its God's

[cardero]

Atheists:what does a book gotta have to prove its God's
It should come without a price.

 

[Master Vigil]

People need to stop trying to use a book to prove or disprove the existence of a god. You'd think after our thousands of years of great philosophers who've beat the effort to death, we'd figure out that the bible wasn't written to prove anything. The Tao Te Ching wasn't written to prove anything, neither were the buddhist sutras, etc... If any religious text is written for the sole purpose to prove that it's contents is true, it will be a failed religion.

Let's get past this stupid quarrel over semantics, symbols, ideas, concepts, etc... Let us get past it and start caring for one another.

 

[logician]

To the Atheists:

A very basic question what does a book have to
contain to prove it was sent by God?

Must be postmarked from out of this universe.

 

[~Amin~]

Because there are people who do just that with many different books.
And everyone of them has the exact same thing backing up their claim: their belief that their claim has any truth to it.

There are approximately 6billion people on earth, approximately over 4billion
are either followers of the Old Testament, New Testament, or the Last Testament(Qur'an), The most common question is which is the right faith, and it is a
really good question, in Is lslam we don't have this problem because we
believe God revealed ALL THESE Revelations over a period of time but
that its been distorted except for the Last Testament.

 

[McBell]

There are approximately 6billion people on earth, approximately over 4billion
are either followers of the Old Testament, New Testament, or the Last Testament(Qur'an), The most common question is which is the right faith, and it is a
really good question, in Is lslam we don't have this problem because we
believe God revealed ALL THESE Revelations over a period of time but
that its been distorted except for the Last Testament.

Your appeal to numbers does not impress me, nor does it help your case any.

And you still have nothing but "belief" to support your claim.
Please do no think that I am attacking this belief.
For that is not what I am trying to do.
I am merely pointing out that "belief" is all you have presented.
and when you attempt to belittle those who disagree with those beliefs by claiming they have to be ignorant in order to disagree, you do not help your cause any.
In fact, you are doing nothing but preaching to the choir.

 

[~Amin~]

and when you attempt to belittle those who disagree with those beliefs by claiming they have to be ignorant in order to disagree, you do not help your cause any.
In fact, you are doing nothing but preaching to the choir.

I'm sure you think I'm ignorant of the way you think, i know
the word ignorant seems to belittle but that's not what
is meant, if i did i would contradict the Qur'an.
And do not insult those they
invoke other then God, lest
they insult God in enmity
without knowledge. Qur'an 6,108.

 

[~Amin~]

Your appeal to numbers does not impress me, nor does it help your case any.

I was just presenting facts.

And you still have nothing but "belief" to support your claim.

I have a lot but you reject them.

Please do no think that I am attacking this belief.
For that is not what I am trying to do.

no just when people have opposing beliefs it seems that way.

I am merely pointing out that "belief" is all you have presented.

Mestemia God Almighty has shown me things in my life
and made it known to me it was Him, why don't you ask Him to
Show you a sign?

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Mestemia God Almighty has shown me things in my life
and made it known to me it was Him, why don't you ask Him to
Show you a sign?

Why don't you ask the aliens from Alpha Centauri to show you a sign? If anything happens over the next hour, or day, or week--say, a hawk circles overhead or a you get a phone call from an old friend--then that will be a sure sign that aliens from Alpha Centauri exist and that they authored Moby Dick. In the unlikely event that nothing improbable happens for over a week, then obviously you aren't being open or sincere enough in accepting the love of the Alpha Centaurians and their commandments (as recorded in Moby Dick).

 

[~Amin~]

Why don't you ask the aliens from Alpha Centauri to show you a sign? If anything happens over the next hour, or day, or week--say, a hawk circles overhead or a you get a phone call from an old friend--then that will be a sure sign that aliens from Alpha Centauri exist and that they authored Moby Dick. In the unlikely event that nothing improbable happens for over a week, then obviously you aren't being open or sincere enough in accepting the love of the Alpha Centaurians and their commandments (as recorded in Moby Dick).

ha ha ha your a funny character

 

[McBell]

I'm sure you think I'm ignorant of the way you think, i know
the word ignorant seems to belittle but that's not what
is meant, if i did i would contradict the Qur'an.
And do not insult those they
invoke other then God, lest
they insult God in enmity
without knowledge. Qur'an 6,108.

This is not what I am talking about.
I am talking about your theory that the only reason for someone to disagree is because they do not understand.
I do understand.
Quite well in fact.
I just happen to disagree.

I was just presenting facts.
I have a lot but you reject them.
no just when people have opposing beliefs it seems that way.
Mestemia God Almighty has shown me things in my life
and made it known to me it was Him, why don't you ask Him to
Show you a sign?

I do not dispute them as facts ( the numbers you presented).
I merely point out that it is an appeal to numbers.
Seems to me that the vast majority of people once believed tomatoes to be poisonous.
They were wrong.
Seems to me that the majority of people once believed the world to be flat.
They were wrong.
I can go on, but I suspect you get the point.

You have presented alot of what?
Proof?
No you have not.
At least not in this thread.
All you have presented are beliefs and opinions.

Why would I needs God to show me a sign?
You seem to be thinking I am an atheist.

 

[McBell]

Why don't you ask the aliens from Alpha Centauri to show you a sign? If anything happens over the next hour, or day, or week--say, a hawk circles overhead or a you get a phone call from an old friend--then that will be a sure sign that aliens from Alpha Centauri exist and that they authored Moby Dick. In the unlikely event that nothing improbable happens for over a week, then obviously you aren't being open or sincere enough in accepting the love of the Alpha Centaurians and their commandments (as recorded in Moby Dick).

ha ha ha your a funny character

Perhaps he is funny.
However, what he presented is identical to what you presented other than the names.

 

[~Amin~]

Perhaps he is funny.
However, what he presented is identical to what you presented other than the names.

What about the fact that in the Qur'an
When the sun is wound round and
its light is lost and is overthrown.81,1.
Now i would advise you to look up the sun in any book
you choose and you will find that the sun has approxamitly
12 billion year life span in other words itl be overthrown
how could anyone have known that thousands of years ago?
he didnt present any facts like this, but without getting
off the topic what do you think about this Mestemia?

 

[McBell]

What about the fact that in the Qur'an
When the sun is wound round and
its light is lost and is overthrown.81,1.
Now i would advise you to look up the sun in any book
you choose and you will find that the sun has approxamitly
12 billion year life span in other words itl be overthrown
how could anyone have known that thousands of years ago?
he didnt present any facts like this, but without getting
off the topic what do you think about this Mestemia?

Sounds to me as though you are merely taking the verse and applying current knowledge to it.

Seems quite familiar actually.
Oh yeah
sounds like a version of the Forer effect.

 

[~Amin~]

Sounds to me as though you are merely taking the verse and applying current knowledge to it.

All I'm doing is outlining material in the Qur'an which
was impossible to be known in the 7th century, no other
then God could know this, what do you think.

 

[BucephalusBB]

All I'm doing is outlining material in the Qur'an which
was impossible to be known in the 7th century, no other
then God could know this, what do you think.

Nonsense, they could also be talking about an eclipse, night and putting your hands in front of your eyes. I could be easilly made up, it could be the last words of a dying man. It could be everything. How could it be impossible to know when it is not speaking of a special moment in time.
Even Nostradamus was more accurate and he published nonsense..

Not implying that it is wrong, just that it could be really everything.

 

[Smoke]

What about the fact that in the Qur'an
When the sun is wound round and
its light is lost and is overthrown.81,1.
Now i would advise you to look up the sun in any book
you choose and you will find that the sun has approxamitly
12 billion year life span in other words itl be overthrown
how could anyone have known that thousands of years ago?
he didnt present any facts like this, but without getting
off the topic what do you think about this Mestemia?

According to heathen Norse beliefs, the sun will perish at Ragnarok. How could they have known the sun would perish?

That proves that Norse heathenism is the true religion!

 

[~Amin~]

According to heathen Norse beliefs, the sun will perish at Ragnarok. How could they have known the sun would perish?

It seems you accepted this qur'anic verse.

That proves that Norse heathenism is the true religion!

Its quite possible that all the faiths may have truths preserved
in them which was originally from God but latter in time got
distorted.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Its quite possible that all the faiths may have truths preserved
in them which was originally from God but latter in time got
distorted.

So you're saying that Islam is a distorted version of the earlier and truer Norse heathenism?

 

[cardero]

It seems you accepted this qur'anic verse.


Its quite possible that all the faiths may have truths preserved
in them which was originally from God but latter in time got
distorted.

So by this logic it seems that if you wanted the latest knowledge and understanding of GOD it would only be reasonable to look towards the people who are currently authoring their inspirations and conversations with this BEing instead of trying to reason and prove past relationships. I mean if one wanted to learn the latest information of what is currently going on around them they would pick up today's newspaper not a outdated newspaper which was written centuries ago.

 

[McBell]

All I'm doing is outlining material in the Qur'an which
was impossible to be known in the 7th century, no other
then God could know this, what do you think.

Seems to me that you do not know/understand anything about the Forer Effect OR you are simply ignoring that which shows your are misinformed at best or being flat out dishonest at worst.

Based upon your previous posts in this thread, I suspect that you are clinging to willful ignorance.
You may ask why I suspect that it is willful ignorance.
This is evidenced rather nicely by the way you conveniently ignore everything that might even possibly show you are in error.
Add to this the fact that you have not made good on your claim to come back and address these points you have thus far ignored.
Add to this the way you jump to be the victim of some nonexistent attack on your person or your faith or your beliefs.
As I already stated: "I suspect that you are clinging to willful ignorance."