Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[SkepticThinker]

Well it’s good that you say your mind can be changed, anyway. And your body is changing all the time, nothing really you can do about that. Which just leaves the spirit…

What's a spirit?

 

[KWED]

Hold on, you just agreed with me that I had no choice but to do what God had foreseen, now you say I DO have a choice? Once again, you flip flop.

I have travelled this same road with many different religionists and it often ends this way. Even after agreeing with the basic premises they still default to "but we still have free will". It always reminds me of this...

 

[RestlessSoul]

What's a spirit?

The consciousness beyond ego; the thought beyond words; the word beyond silence

 

[KWED]

So you were indoctrinated, as many people are.

It's remarkable, given how common childhood religious indoctrination is, how rare it is to find a religionist who was indoctrinated as a child.
It's like the inverse of the Spike Island/Woodstock paradox.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The consciousness beyond ego; the thought beyond words; the word beyond silence

And that means, what, exactly?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It is? Where? How?

I know people can be irrational, but that's not what we're talking about, is it?


Provide me some examples please because I don't know what you're talking about.

What did you mean by things, that are irrational and illogical? I understood it differently than what you apparently meant it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What did you mean by things, that are irrational and illogical? I understood it differently than what you apparently meant it.

Things that defy reason and logic.

 

[RestlessSoul]

And that means, what, exactly?

Seek it out for yourself; or don’t. Your choice.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Seek it out for yourself; or don’t. Your choice.

Seek out what, exactly? Your explanations are about as clear as mud.

I used to be a Christian, by the way. Then I realized I didn't have any good evidence to be one. I was just believing because that's what I'd been taught to believe.

 

[RestlessSoul]

It's remarkable, given how common childhood religious indoctrination is, how rare it is to find a religionist who was indoctrinated as a child.
It's like the inverse of the Spike Island/Woodstock paradox.

Sounds like you've done a lot of research, so I'll take your word for it I suppose.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Seek out what, exactly? Your explanations are about as clear as mud.

I used to be a Christian, by the way. Then I realized I didn't have any good evidence to be one. I was just believing because that's what I'd been taught to believe.

Okay. So you rejected what you were taught. Then what? The rest is up to you.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..I used to be a Christian, by the way. Then I realized I didn't have any good evidence to be one. I was just believing because that's what I'd been taught to believe.

..probably a bit more than that..
The basic concept of God is not hard for a child to grasp.

eg.
All things bright and beautiful,
All things great and small,
All things wise and wonderful,
The Lord God made them all.

I'm not talking about detailed theological concepts..
.. obviously.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Okay. So you rejected what you were taught. Then what? The rest is up to you.

The rest, what? I see no reason to believe in things people can't even define in the first place, let alone demonstrate their existence.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Things that defy reason and logic.

In what sense do you use things.

2a: an inanimate object distinguished from a living being
b: a separate and distinct individual quality, fact, idea, or usually entity
c: the concrete entity as distinguished from its appearances
d: a spatial entity

Definition of THING

 

[SkepticThinker]

In what sense do you use things.

Definition of THING

Arguments, beliefs.

 

[Sheldon]

Do I have evidence for what, the existence of God? I see His handiwork everywhere.

That's not evidence that's a claim.

The infinite complexity of the universe which sustains us is all the evidence I need;

Again, not evidence, just pointing to everything and calling it evidence is nothing but a bare claim?

it's within each of us that the miracle can be found, if we have the willingness, honesty and open mindedness to search for it.

A bare claim, and a no true Scotsman fallacy, so an irrational bare claim to boot. Do you really not see it? You were asked for evidence, and in response you reeled of several unevidenced claims and a known logical fallacy that implies anyone who isn't "willing, honest, and open minded" isn't really looking for a deity.

You just held up an empty bag, and claimed there is evidence in it? Open minded means unbiased, If I claimed that a very different deity has told me you've been deceived, and that if you were willing and honest and open minded you'd see this, how compelling would find that claim?

 

[Sheldon]

In what sense do you use things.

Definition of THING

Those are simply straw men you're introducing, clearly he said any "thing" that did not adhere to logic, which by definition is irrational.

 

[Sheldon]

Seek it out for yourself; or don’t. Your choice.

How much time have you spent examining the Aztec deity of gluttony? Or Pagan deities?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Arguments, beliefs.

Okay, so there exists beliefs that are irrational and illogical. Then that is a part of how the world works.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Those are simply straw men you're introducing, clearly he said any "thing" that did not adhere to logic, which by definition is irrational.

Yeah, there are irrational beliefs as a part of the world. We agree.