Bad things about Christianity

[adilrockstar]

Well there are a lot of things in Christianity that I don't agree with, for one, the concept of a loving God(supposively)sending any of his creation to eternal damnation, the sadistic acts of sacrifice being the only way to allow for our sins to be forgiven, I may edit this post.

I choose not to follow any religion.

What drew me to my own beliefs is some of the teachings in Christianity, particularly the angry vengeful God.

That's great , and admirable, unfortunately I can't find anything that I like about Christianity.(except for some of Jesus's teachings).

The view that you have seems to be shared by many people. I really do see how someone could read the Bible and see that God is like that. If I only read the parts where he is inflicting his wrath and telling of empending doom for non-believers I guess I would be in that boat too. I have found love in Christianity. I don't believe in eternal Hell. I believe it is temporary, that the souls will be destroyed after the final judgment. The way I see it God gave us life and he can take it away, without him we wouldn't exist.

God Bless

Adil

 

[SB Habakuk]

I know most of you would love to wipe the ideal of Christianity of the map , consider it a hierloom of our contentious past.
But Christianity in its many forms is the truest link to what can be considerred REALITY

It is an enigma among religions. for it contains a trace of truth which is sufficient for reconciliation of the above and the below

 

[Katzpur]

I know most of you would love to wipe the ideal of Christianity of the map

What on earth would prompt you to say something like that?

 

[Buttons*]

I reject the notion of the crucifiction, as a physical event. Christ did do a fairly good job with the mess he was handed though.

i agree

 

[adilrockstar]

Christianity has at different times and places been quite intolerant of other religions.

Thanks for the response!
Agreed, it is actually completely intolerant of other religions. Christians believe in a Sovereign God. The problem is when you treat others with different beliefs different because of it. Christian are supposed to love everyone the same. That doesn't however mean that they are supposed to share the same beliefs. I love everyone the same no matter what their Religious Beliefs are. I do however stand by the fact that the God I serve is Sovereign. That isn't so bad is it?

 

[adilrockstar]

I disagree with the Christian concept of the afterlife.

Thanks for the response.

I can understand where you are coming from. It is very hard to explain, with physical tangible evidence.

God Bless

Adil

 

[Jaymes]

I know most of you would love to wipe the ideal of Christianity of the map , consider it a hierloom of our contentious past.

I certainly don't. Christians have done some terrible things to me in the past, but that doesn't mean I want Christianity wiped off the map.

But Christianity in its many forms is the truest link to what can be considerred REALITY

Why do you say that?

 

[adilrockstar]

Neither do I believe in the trinity or that 'Yeshua' is Moshiach.

The Trinity has been debated from every Religion. Even Christian debate this issue.
This is sad because it sometimes has caused a divide in the Churches.
My personal view is that the Trinity is real. I get this view from the Bible. The word "Trinity" isn't mentioned but the three seperate parts are mentioned. The "title" Trinity was given later.

God Bless

Adil

 

[adilrockstar]

I'm going to try to be fairly nice and hopefully not break too many rules here. In my defense, he is asking me what I dislike.
Many things really. From Christianity itself, not so much. I dislike the idea of an omnipotent god, a human god, a heaven/hell afterlife based on faith, occassional taking literally of the bible, and it's universalist tendencies (this is the one that really gets me. Details coming.) On the other hand, the acts of past Christians make things even worse. There was the wars and conversion of my people, the whole damnation aspect for those who don't convert, and quite a bit of other little things. However, the big thing was the near destruction of the old faiths. Fortunately, the ancient germanic religion was kept very intact through all that. Probably not active, but certainly recorded .
Well, a few things. First, not just anybody can be an Asatruar/Irminist (I kind of fit on the border, leaning towards Irminenschaft). It's an ancestral faith. We are connected through our Germanic ancestors. Also, we don't have a concept of salvation. When you die, you go to hel or asgard. Both are actually rather nice. If you are really evil though, it just may not be so cozy... Also, we don't believe it's the only way to bliss/enlightenment/whatever. After all, none of that exists
It actually all started here on RF. Darkdale (what ever happened to him anyways?) posted a few threads about Asatru. I checked them out, they seemed cool, so I studied some more. It just kind of clicked.

EDIT: Actually, come down to it, I actually kind of like LDS folks (Mormons). They come off as a pretty cool bunch. Certainly not my type of religion, but nice folks for sure.

Thanks


People can definately do good or bad for their beliefs. It is very obvious that many Christians have given it a bad name. Sad. Understandable. May God be mercifull on the ones that did this. This would be a prime example of why the Bible tells us to "Let your light shine". If no one can see your light then what good are you.

God Bless

Adil

 

[adilrockstar]

I reject the notion of the crucifiction, as a physical event. Christ did do a fairly good job with the mess he was handed though.

Thanks for the response!

Never heard that view before. Could you elaborate as to why you hold that view? Where does that teaching come from?


God Bless

Adil

 

[adilrockstar]

I know most of you would love to wipe the ideal of Christianity of the map , consider it a hierloom of our contentious past.
But Christianity in its many forms is the truest link to what can be considerred REALITY

It is an enigma among religions. for it contains a trace of truth which is sufficient for reconciliation of the above and the below

Thanks for the response. The only problem with comments like this are that it turns people off. It will make them angry with you. If they are angry with you why would they want to join you?? Not attacking you.

God Bless

Adil

 

[Ody]

But Christianity in its many forms is the truest link to what can be considerred REALITY

The REALITY of life is, that we know not if any religion is false or not.

 

[adilrockstar]

The REALITY of life is, that we know not if any religion is false or not.

That is your personal view, which I respect but I do not agree. For me it is as real as the keyboard I am typing on.

 

[Ody]

That is your personal view, which I respect but I do not agree. For me it is as real as the keyboard I am typing on.

You have no concrete facts to back up any stance on religion. Only what we believe, or assume can we take a stance with. And this stance is a shot in the dark.

 

[adilrockstar]

You have no concrete facts to back up any stance on religion. Only what we believe, or assume can we take a stance.

Correct, I cannot hand over to you anything that you would consider "proof" but if you asked other people in my Church they would say that they have "proof".

To me, my life is concrete "proof".

God Bless

Adil

 

[Tigress]

I am starting this thread to find out what things people do not like about Christianity. Also I want to find out what draws people to other Religions.

What do you not like about Christianity?
How does your Religion differ?
What drew you to your Religion?

I am a Christian and there is nothing that I personally do not like about it.
The Love is what drew me to it, also the personal relationship that you can have with God and the Messiah.

God Bless

Adil

What 'flavour' of Christianity are we talking about specifically? There are things about many denominations that I do not agree with, but overall I find nothing inherently 'bad' about Christianity. I simply disagree with putting Christ ahead of all other prophets, etc.

 

[adilrockstar]

What 'flavour' of Christianity are we talking about specifically? There are things about many denominations that I do not agree with, but overall I find nothing inherently 'bad' about Christianity. I simply disagree with putting Christ ahead of all other prophets, etc.

Can you elaborate?

 

[Hacker]

The view that you have seems to be shared by many people. I really do see how someone could read the Bible and see that God is like that. If I only read the parts where he is inflicting his wrath and telling of empending doom for non-believers I guess I would be in that boat too. I have found love in Christianity. I don't believe in eternal Hell. I believe it is temporary, that the souls will be destroyed after the final judgment. The way I see it God gave us life and he can take it away, without him we wouldn't exist.

God Bless

Adil

Thank you and frubals for your effort. Unfortunately, my views about God are not compatable with the theology of Christianity and I tried everything I could to change that. If I chose Christianity as my religon, I would be lying to myself and just be living a lie. I know a lot about it because I attended a Catholic school for 8 years.

 

[adilrockstar]

Thank you and frubals for your effort. Unfortunately, my views about God are not compatable with the theology of Christianity and I tried everything I could to change that. If I chose Christianity as my religon, I would be lying to myself and just be living a lie. I know a lot about it because I attended a Catholic school for 8 years.

I understand where you are coming from. It seem that every "ex-Christian" that I talk to is a former Catholic. I have some scripture that is from Revelation that I believe still applies today, I believe that it is in the Bible for this exact reason.
I think the Church at Laodicea is symbolic of the Catholic Church today.

No offense Catholics, I love you.


The Message to the Church in Laodicea


(14)”Write this letter to the angel of the church in Laodicea. This is the message from the one who is the Amen-the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s new creation:

(15)”I know all the things you do, that you are neither hot nor cold. I with that you were one or the other!(16)But since you are like lukewarm water, neither hot nor cold. I will spit you out of my mouth!(17)You say, ‘I am rich, I have everything I want. I don’t need a thing!’ And you don’t realize that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked. (18)So I advise you to buy gold from me-gold that has been purified by fire. Then you will be rich. Also buy white garments from me so you will not be shamed by your nakedness, and ointment for your eyes so you will be able to see.(19)I correct and discipline everyone I love. So be diligent and turn from your indifference.
(20)”Look! I stand at the door and knock. If you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in, and we will share a meal together as friends.(21)Those who are victorious will sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat with my Father on his throne.
(22)”Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches.”

Explanation:

Laodicea was the wealthiest of the seven cities (kind of like the Catholic church if you ask me, that is if you ask me), known for its banking industry, manufacture of wool, and a medical school that produced EYE OINTMENT. But the city had always had a problem with its water supply. At one time the city had an aqueduct built to bring water to the city from hot springs. But by the time the water reached the city, it was neither hot nor cool- only LUKEWARM. Awesome how Christ uses symbolism to reach people. The people had become as bland as the water they drank.

Lukewarm water as we all know isn’t very good or refreshing to drink. The church here had become the same. The believers DIDN’T TAKE A STAND FOR ANYTHING, THEY HAD BECOME IDLE. BY NEGLECTING TO DO ANYTHING FOR CHRIST, THE CHURCH HAD BECOME HARDENED AND SELF-SATISFIED, AND COMPLACENT. THERE IS NOTHIN MORE DISGUSTING THAN HALF-HEARTED, NOMINAL CHRISTIANS THAT ARE SELF SUFFICIENT. DON’T SETTLE FOR FOLLOWING GOD HALF HEARTEDLY.

Some believers think that material possessions are a sign of God’s blessings. Laodicea was wealthy but it is clear that they were not rich in spiritual blessings. They began to think that the things that they could see and buy were more important than the things they could not see that were eternal. INSTEAD OF CENTERING YOUR LIFE ON COMFORT AND LUXURY, FIND YOUR TURE RICHES IN CHRIST.

Christ told the Laodiceans to buy their gold from him (real spiritual treasures). The city was proud of its cloth and dyeing industry. Christ told them to buy white garments from him (his righteousness). Laodicea prided itself on its precious eye ointment that healed many eye problems. Christ told them to buy ointment for their eyes from him so that they could see the truth (check out John 9:39). THE POINT CHRIST IS MAKING TO THEM IS THAT MATERIAL THINGS OF THIS WORLD WERE WORTHLESS COMPARED TO THE EVERLASTING FUTURE OF CHRIST’S KINGDOM TO COME.

God warned that he would discipline this church unless it turned away from its indifference toward him. God doesn’t want to just punish sinners, he wants to bring us back to him. GOD MAY DISCIPLINE YOU TO BRING YOU OUT OF YOUR UNCARING ATTITUDE, BUT IT WILL BE OUT OF LOVE. YOU CAN AVOID THIS DISCIPLINE BY DRAWING CLOSE TO GOD.

GOD CAN RE-IGNITE OUR ZEAL FOR GOD WHEN WE ALLOW HIM TO WORK IN OUR HEART…………..

The Laodicean church were so busy enjoying the pleasure of the world that they didn’t hear Jesus knocking at their door. Money, security, material possessions etc., can be dangerous, because their temporary satisfaction makes us indifferent to God’s offer of EVERLASTING SATISFACTION. PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE.


The point here is that I don't think the Catholic church is doing what it is really supposed to be doing. Anyway that is my humble opinion. I however am not God....darn it...JK

God Bless

Adil

ps Try an Assembly of God or "Spirit Filled" church. They are great. That is if you ever want to give Christianity a try again.

 

[Feathers in Hair]

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