Badmouthing our country

[Unveiled Artist]

If the governors are going to ban mask mandates in public (state-funded) schools, and then cut funding to schools for requiring masks because children under 12 are not eligible to be vaccinated, then yes, those governors need to be called out for their stubborn incompetence. (I read in the Florida State constitution that it is unconstitutional for the state to withhold funding from public schools.) Indeed, governors who forbid mask mandates in public schools are obstructing the fight against covid.

It sends a poor impression of how the US should ideally work together. Even governors now are talking down to their own president. Talking down doesn't change anything. Its just blowing off steam. Biden even called their actions neanderthal thinking. And the public is agreeing with this... Do they really care about their own country or just that they are right.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I've done it a lot, because it has been a very partisan divide between those complying with restrictions, wearing a mask, and even getting vaccinated (no, it's not 100%, but it's remained a very solid predictor), and the other part of the country for excuse x, y and z have been running self-destructively amok and doing it to the detriment of others.
We could have gotten through this more like Australia or New Zealand or several others who faired well, but we didn't. We decided the wants of me outweigh the needs of the many.

Do you feel talking bad is the solution or will incite the same reaction of hate for citizens and said governors to help with the pandemic?

 

[crossfire]

It sends a poor impression of how the US should ideally work together. Even governors now are talking down to their own president. Talking down doesn't change anything. Its just blowing off steam. Biden even called their actions neanderthal thinking. And the public is agreeing with this... Do they really care about their own country or just that they are right.

The governors withholding funding from public schools for requiring masks are the ones playing politics with the safety of children and are certainly not working towards controlling the spread of covid. There is no way to sugar-coat that.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The leader has to criticise his “underlings.” Especially if they go against public safety. If I was a person in power and didn’t mandate seat belts, for example, I’d expect a kick in the *** from the higher ups. That’s just life. And honestly he seemed far more polite than my bosses ever were and they were obliged by law to be nice about criticising us lol
And all in all, Biden’s so called “badmouthing” seems kind of mild compared to the Donald rants, if I’m honest with you.

And maybe you have more faith in politicians than I do, but I gave up on them modelling good behaviour years ago. It’s all PR and photo ops.

I wouldn't call people who don't wear seatbelts having neanderthal thinking and I definitely wouldn't tell them either you're with us or against us. Almost a beginning of a civil war-how does that help?

Since he's the president, he has more sway than Donalds.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The governors withholding funding from public schools for requiring masks are the ones playing politics with the safety of children and are certainly not working towards controlling the spread of covid. There is no way to sugar-coat that.

I'm sure there are other ways to get his point across that doesn't insult his own citizens and governors.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The thread topic is contentious by default; I didn't turn it into such. I would have guessed you recognized the inherent thorniness of the topic going by your placing this thread in Political Debates.

It's an assumption. You don't have to feed into it, though, if that's what you believe.

And I don't think he did, at least not in the video portion that I watched. He was only being blunt and straight to the point. Whether that's "badmouthing" or anything to hold against him is a different story. I don't think it's either, personally, but I'm not American and don't get to throw a vote for or against the POTUS either way. I just endorse his echoing of expert medical advice and hope more and more influential and powerful people follow suit.

If you call your governors having neanderthal thinking (another video) and telling them they are either for or against us it's a beginning of a somewhat civil war.

I also think you'd have a different perspective as a non-American. Though, because of the political influence here healthcare concerns and politics (meaning what's best for the people by creating mandates and such) are interconnected. I mean if someone badmouth America as a nonAmerican, I would think most militants who protect this country would be pretty peeved.

 

[crossfire]

I wouldn't call people who don't wear seatbelts having neanderthal thinking and I definitely wouldn't tell them either you're with us or against us. Almost a beginning of a civil war-how does that help?

Since he's the president, he has more sway than Donalds.

You quoted the criteria for "neanderthal thinking," as highlighted in this quote, yourself.

It sends a poor impression of how the US should ideally work together. Even governors now are talking down to their own president. Talking down doesn't change anything. Its just blowing off steam. Biden even called their actions neanderthal thinking. And the public is agreeing with this... Do they really care about their own country or just that they are right.

When your rational mind is overcome by emotions, so that you can't think rationally and logically and it results in putting others in danger, that is "neanderthal thinking." You can't really sugar coat that to someone who is so entrenched and emotionally invested in it. You can hope they will come to see the rational course if their pride doesn't get in the way.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

When your rational mind is overcome by emotions, so that you can't think rationally and logically and it results in putting others in danger, that is "neanderthal thinking." You can't really sugar coat that to someone who is so entrenched and emotionally invested in it. You can hope they will come to see the rational course if their pride doesn't get in the way.

There are other ways to say it regardless of what it is. As a president (or any type of leader) there should be some professionality than the everyday citizen would have over his or her peers. If they can control their emotions when being a leader to the people that would be great. Though, other presidents aren't quite as good as Biden is to compare.

 

[Yazata]

Do you feel the pandemic is an excuse to badmouth our country and governors?

Biden's facing lots of problems right now, ranging from his own declining popularity numbers, through early signs of worse inflation than the US has seen since the 1970's, to the Afghanistan debacle.

So it's understandable that he feels like going on offense rather than playing defense. He wants to divert people's attention to something other than his own challenges. It's pretty transparent.

Unfortunately that will only make it harder to address the problems that he faces, some of which will require buy-in from the public.

 

[Friend of Mara]

3-19

Do you feel the pandemic is an excuse to badmouth our country and governors?

Just wanted to read you guys' thoughts

Enjoy

Is it bad to say that someone is doing something objectively bad? I badmouth the Florida governor on the daily. And I'm not saying anything untrue.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Eh I wouldn’t praise our country (aus) too much. They just arrested a bunch of yobbos in Sydney for anti lockdown protests. I hope they throw the book at them, personally. Making everything worse for their fellow brethren. And in the middle of severe lockdown due to the high number of cases, to boot. We have a phrase for that here. It’s called “being a drongo.” Basically means being really super dumb lol (well that’s the clean version, anyway.)
Selfish people

No one is arrested here.
The English phrase here is covidiot. The Spanish phrase is pandejo, a combination of pandemic/pandemia and pendejo/dummy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Do you feel talking bad is the solution or will incite the same reaction of hate for citizens and said governors to help with the pandemic?

If they can't hear then oh well. People who have been opposed to and neglected to follow guidelines and have refused to vaccinate are having a detrimental effect on others.
I simply just do not care for their feelings. And why should I? They are not caring about the health and wellbeing of others.

 

[F1fan]

Is it bad to say that someone is doing something objectively bad? I badmouth the Florida governor on the daily. And I'm not saying anything untrue.

We members of a society have an obligation to offer discourse and critique of any political leader.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Is it bad to say that someone is doing something objectively bad? I badmouth the Florida governor on the daily. And I'm not saying anything untrue.

Not to attack the person (both governors and citizens) just their decision making.

You can disagree with someone's decision even try to help them out without by vocal expression segregating people, calling them names, and assuming they are against us like a civil war.

I'm sure there is a better way to channel his frustration than accusing his own citizens and state law makers.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If they can't hear then oh well. People who have been opposed to and neglected to follow guidelines and have refused to vaccinate are having a detrimental effect on others.
I simply just do not care for their feelings. And why should I? They are not caring about the health and wellbeing of others.

But you're not a leader and role model for a country-a united states. You guys opinions are valid to an extent but not insofar leaders can insult their own "employees" especially in front of the public if not morally to their faces. It sets civil war and has long term consequences than excusing oneself by saying "we are saving lives." As a leader even with political parties ideally they should work to help the people not to those who agree with them. It makes me wonder years down the line if we have concentration camps.

Its not just a difference of opinion here.

 

[Friend of Mara]

Not to attack the person (both governors and citizens) just their decision making.

You can disagree with someone's decision even try to help them out without by vocal expression segregating people, calling them names, and assuming they are against us like a civil war.

I'm sure there is a better way to channel his frustration than accusing his own citizens and state law makers.

What is the moral respect argument here? If you believe crappy things and use those beliefs to actively harm people then you are a bad person. Ron is a garbage person in addition to those garbage decisions he makes. I don't apologize to that. If someone kicks a puppy we don't go "oh well the act of kicking a puppy is bad and we can criticize that but lets make sure we respect the puppy kicker"

Edit:
The only constructive thing we should do with some of these people is make sure they never hold office again.

 

[Father Heathen]

3-19

Do you feel the pandemic is an excuse to badmouth our country and governors?

Just wanted to read you guys' thoughts

Enjoy

Badmouthing our country, or badmouthing those who are compromising our country?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Badmouthing our country, or badmouthing those who are compromising our country?

Since states are United and ideally work together it would be badmouthing the country-both citizens and governors.

For example, if I were a CEO of a corporation I can set the head of the departments aside and work with them on things they may be doing wrong and encourage them about things they can do that is right.

If I go in front of the public and tell the people that my department heads are making bad decisions for the welfare of consumers "and" that some consumers are "against us" that sends a bad impression and it definitely influences long-term decisions. Who would want to buy products or services from me when I can't even treat my own people right despite our disagreements.

Who would follow a leader that makes such an example to part of the American public and state leaders?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What is the moral respect argument here? If you believe crappy things and use those beliefs to actively harm people then you are a bad person. Ron is a garbage person in addition to those garbage decisions he makes. I don't apologize to that. If someone kicks a puppy we don't go "oh well the act of kicking a puppy is bad and we can criticize that but lets make sure we respect the puppy kicker"

Edit:
The only constructive thing we should do with some of these people is make sure they never hold office again.

If you're badmouthing your own country it may turn into a "civil war" and people (at least those who are thinking of the economy as just as important as COVID) would not follow a leader who tries to get people to vaccinate by how he sees his own leaders.

If Ron wasn't representing a country or a leader of some sort you guys can say and hate him however you want to. I don't see how that solves anything but its your right.

But not insofar if you were a leader and saying to citizens and governors if you're not for us you're against us. That's not appropriate for any situation-defending a country through a war, a health crisis, whatever... people (well, I hope) want to follow a leader that thinks the best for his people despite their individual decisions not divide people for their decisions.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But you're not a leader and role model

No, I'm not. Nor do I want to be.

But you're not a leader and role model for a country-a united states. You guys opinions are valid to an extent but not insofar leaders can insult their own "employees" especially in front of the public if not morally to their faces. It sets civil war and has long term consequences than excusing oneself by saying "we are saving lives." As a leader even with political parties ideally they should work to help the people not to those who agree with them. It makes me wonder years down the line if we have concentration camps.

Its not just a difference of opinion here.

Bad ideas shouldn't be coddled and catered to, and it is Biden's responsibility to address these reckless governors being he is the top dog of the US.