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Baha'i and Science

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
What was your book about, and its title?
I wrote 3, it was when I burned out from teaching,and they were reflective short stories from childhood. Therapy by remembering the pleasant. Not very good writing, but it helped me gain some perspective at the time.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
That is true, so who sets the standard? I believe it is set by God but that is because I believe God reveals teachings and laws that are for human benefit.
As an atheist I do not believe either in existence of God/Gods/Goddesses and consequently deny anyone saying that he is a prophet/messemger with message, son, manifestation or madhi sent by any God or Allah. I believe society sets the standards. Your society has it own standards mine has its own. And we consider actions good or bad according to that. In your society a son is not bound to care for his parents, in mine that will be considered bad. So, we do have differences in our standards.
There are no amendments. And there is no distinction between any of God’s Manifestations so we don’t exalt one over the other.
If there are no amendments, no new changes to be made, then the claim of progressive revelation and that of Bahaullah with a message from his Allah falls flat. What all this hullabaloo is all about?
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
When you say Hindu that would include Krishna and the Bhagavad-Gita as a major sect of Hinduism follows Him and the Gita Avatars so we believe like some Hindus do in Avatars too.
Avatar is different than manifestation. There is no such thing as Gita Avatars. You want me to list several things about Hinduism Baha'i don't believe in? Carry on.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Avatar is different than manifestation. There is no such thing as Gita Avatars. You want me to list several things about Hinduism Baha'i don't believe in? Carry on.

We have different beliefs so we all walk a different path.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I'm not sure what you meant by this then? "There are many beautiful truths in Hinduism and all religions which we share a common belief in."
Your posts highlights the continuous 'stop-go' and 'yes-no' which I see in Baha'i.
There is no solidness it, imo.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I'm not sure what you meant by this then? "There are many beautiful truths in Hinduism and all religions which we share a common belief in."

I gave you Ahimsa, God and a virtuous and holy life. There is a lot in that. There are many, many virtues and Ahimsa is in thought word and deed. Add prayer and meditation.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Your posts highlights the continuous 'stop-go' and 'yes-no' which I see in Baha'i.
There is no solidness it, imo.
Trying to agree with everyone all the time is just like that. If there were three people in the room, only one of them Baha'i, the other two could agree to disagree, but the Baha'i would agree with both of them. We had those types om committees. They would 'second the motion' for any motion at all.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I gave you Ahimsa, God and a virtuous and holy life. There is a lot in that. There are many, many virtues and Ahimsa is in thought word and deed. Add prayer and meditation.
"all religions we share a common belief in" Who is this 'we'? I don't understand stuff, unless it's clear.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
As an atheist I do not believe either in existence of GodGodsGoddesses and consequently deny anyone saying that he is a prophet/messemger with message, son, manifesttion or madhi sent by any God or Allah. I beleive society sets the standards. Your society has it own standards mine has its own. And we consider actions good or bad according to that. In your society a son is not bound to care for his parents, in mine that will be considered bad. So, we do have differences in our standards.If there are no amendments, no new changes to be made, then the claim of progressive revelation and that of Bahaullah with a message from Allah falls flat. What all this hullabaloo is all about?

I think the teaching of the oneness of mankind by Baha’u’llah is a very important necessity for our global world. It is not an amendment just a restatement on a global level that we are all one.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Most of them end up arguing about their beliefs if they discuss them, Jews and Christians for example.
The reason I steer away from discussions with Christians and Jews is because it inevitably leads to my saying what Baha'is believe and then it turns into an argument. They think they are right and we are wrong; they have to believe that in order to maintain their beliefs. I do not believe they are wrong, only that my religion is newer and more pertinent to the times. But they have to disagree with any religion that came after their religion because they believe their religion is the last and final religion revealed by God.

Of course, this is peculiar to the Abrahamic religions; Buddhists and Hindus do not seem to think that way, which is why it is easier to converse with them.
Are you kidding me? "I do not believe they are wrong, only that my religion is newer and more pertinent to the times."
Baha'is do believe they are wrong. If they take things too literal? They are wrong. If they believe Isaac was the one taken to be sacrificed? They are wrong. If a Jew doesn't believe Jesus is the Messiah? They are wrong. If a Christian believes Jesus rose physically from the dead? They are wrong. If a Christian believes in the trinity? They are wrong. I don't understand why can't just plainly Baha'is admit that?
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Christian Fundamentalism kind of gives me a mental toothache sometimes. It's not that all these people are bad, it's just I can often predict what they're going to say before they say it. Pretty soon, it's like they told me everything twice.
Unfortunately, religions that think their truth is the only truth or the best and most recent truth can't really do anything else but try and convince people why they are the only ones right. And what's really unfortunate, they can all "prove" in their various Scriptures.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Are you kidding me? "I do not believe they are wrong, only that my religion is newer and more pertinent to the times."
Baha'is do believe they are wrong. If they take things too literal? They are wrong. If they believe Isaac was the one taken to be sacrificed? They are wrong. If a Jew doesn't believe Jesus is the Messiah? They are wrong. If a Christian believes Jesus rose physically from the dead? They are wrong. If a Christian believes in the trinity? They are wrong. I don't understand why can't just plainly Baha'is admit that?
I plainly admit I believe all those things are wrong, but that does not mean I believe the Bible is wrong or Jesus was wrong.
Now what? o_O
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Unfortunately, religions that think their truth is the only truth or the best and most recent truth can't really do anything else but try and convince people why they are the only ones right. And what's really unfortunate, they can all "prove" in their various Scriptures.
Most recent truth does not equate to best truth.
If there is a more recent truth from God then there is a more recent truth from God.
Baha'is are not trying to convince anyone of that. We just pass along the message.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I think the teaching of the oneness of mankind by Baha’u’llah is a very important necessity for our global world.

It's the religion version of ethnocentricity. Religiocentricity? Literally hundreds of other groups, probably numbering 1000 times as many people as the Baha'i faith teach oneness of humanity. You're saying your particular small version is a necessity? An addition to? A helpful agreement? Sure. But a necessity? Not a chance, sorry. Height of arrogance and overestimating the influence of a minor almost unheard of faith, by it's adherents.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Most recent truth does not equate to best truth.
If there is a more recent truth from God then there is a more recent truth from God.
Baha'is are not trying to convince anyone of that. We just pass along the message.

If you're not trying to convince anyone, then why pass along the message?
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Everyone is free to follow the path he or she chooses. That is their right as it is ours to follow our path. There are many beautiful truths in Hinduism and all religions which we share a common belief in.
Then why was there a need for another messenger to come change things? Baha'is are the ones saying that the beliefs of the other religions are wrong. They include things that their religious leaders have misinterpreted... e.g. Christians believing Jesus physically came back to life. To adding man made tradition into what they believe... Like Jesus is God.

They have a "right" to try and make the world believe these things? They have a right to go to other cultures and condemn their religion and sometimes even ban their religion and essentially force them to believe Christianity? Be honest. Be real. Say it like it is. Baha'is are trying to change society for what they believe is something better. It is your beliefs that says the old religions and their beliefs are part of the problem why the world is in the predicament it is in. And, probably many people here would agree with you. But... they might say that their religion is the answer and all the others, including the Baha'i Faith is the problem.
 
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