Well. The Quran says that Abraham was a Muslim too.
Are you talking about the Shariah or Fikh?
I am asking the question, and I like your view. Does not Quran say, the apostles were Muslims?
My question is very clear: do you believe the Quran means, the apostles were following the Sharia Laws of Quran, such as Salaat, Fasting, Zakkat, avoiding pork?
My view is clear. No, the Quran does not mean the apostles were following the Quranic Shariah. The Quran was not revealed yet. So how could the apostles follow Shariah of the Quran?
Then, if the apostles were not following the Shariah of Quran, how could they be called Muslims?
"To every People have We appointed [different] rites and ceremonies which they must follow: let them not then dispute with thee on the matter, but do thou invite (them) to thy Lord: for thou art assuredly on the Right Way. 2:67
So, the people of Abraham also, must have been given a different Rites. Not the same Rites of Quran. But yet, Abraham was a Muslim. Thus Muslims does not mean, following the same Rites. It means, submission to God, whenever He reveals new commands.
"The Day that some of the Signs of your Lord do come, no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before, nor earned good through his Faith." (6:158). It is recorded in Bihar, that
Imam Ali and
Imam Sadiq said this verse denotes the advent of the awaited Qaim from us.
In another words, according to that verse, after Rise of Qaim, if someone had not believed in Quran before, but begins to believe in Quran after rise of Qaim, His belief will not do any good anymore, because, at that time, believing in Qaim, and His New Book will Profit him.
The Quranic evidence of abrogation of Quranic Laws is in surrah Al-Hajj:
“Indeed, those who reverence the Rites decreed by GOD demonstrate the righteousness of their hearts. In them are benefits to an Appointed Time, then their place is to the ancient House” 22:33
Therefore according to the verse, the Quranic Rites are beneficial until their appointed time, then after that, Religious Laws are Referred to the Ancient House, which
according to Recorded Traditions, is in Heaven.
The term Ancient House in Islamic traditions is described as a heavenly Kabba, a place from where Quran was revealed to mankind. Thus, according to the above verse, after a certain time, these Quranic Laws go up again to the ancient house (meaning God will take then back, as no benefit in them anymore).
, and the time of ascension of the Quranic ordinances is in the 32nd Surrah:
“He directeth the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascendeth unto Him in a Day, whereof the measure is a thousand years of that ye reckon.” 32:5
And the evidence of abrogation of Quran and coming of a new Book are in these Traditions recorded in Bihar and Al-Kafi:
Imam Ja’far Sadiq (a.s.) said: “When the Qaim rises, he will come with a new commandment from Allah, just as the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) summoned men to a new set of commandments at the beginning of Islam.”
And the Quranic evidence that Qaim comes with a Book of God is in Surrah Al-Isra, verse 71:
“On the Day when We will summon all men by their Imam; and he whose Book is given in his right hand shall read it, nor shall they be wronged a straw.” 17:71
And
in Al-kafi, ‘Abdallah ibn Sinan narrated, "I asked abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) about the meaning of , ‘On the Day when We will summon all men by their Imam . . ." (17:71) The Imam (a.s.) said, "It refers to the Imam who is with them and he is Qa’im of the people of that time."
In Al-kafi it is narrated that Imam MuhammadBaqir (a.s.) said: “... they will disagree in the Book that will be with the Qaim, who will bring it to them, so much so that a large number of people will deny him.”
(Meaning people do not agree to accept the new Book)!!.
And in
Bihar in another Hadith, Imam said, “Qaim rises with a new Cause, a new Book, new Judgement which is sever on Arabs.”
The Quranic evidence of the Book being severe on Arabs is in Surrah AlQamar:
"The Day the caller calls to an undesirable event" 56:6
It is recorded this verse is regarding, Imam Mahdi, who calls people to that which they dislike and deny.
Nope. It means "Jesus is returning".
Its strange you dont even care where it says what. How its said. How its meant or whats the context. You just seem to respond to everything I say, with a very much made up answer. What ever you could make up as an answer to support your theology. You just gave a very bogus answer you cooked up.
Did not Jesus Himself say, John is return of Elijah? It is recorded in the Bible. So, when Jesus said as per Gospels, that John is Elijah obviously, when Bahaullah says, He is Jesus, that "fits" with the same theology taught in Holy Books!
I understand It may not fit with literal interpretation of people.
Such Hadithes that speaks of return of Jesus are Mutishabihat..
271.روى الصدوق بإسناده عن حيّون مولى الرضا عليه السلا من ردّ متشابه القرآن إلى محكمه هدي إلى صراط مستقيم. ثمّ قال عليه السلام : إنَّ في أخبارنا متشابها كمتشابه القرآن، ومحكما كمحكم القرآن ، فردّوا متشابهها إلى محكمها، ولا تتّبعوا متشابهها دون محكمها فتضلّوا .
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My brief translation:
Imam Riza, said, in our Hadithes, there are Mutishabihat, just as there are Mutishabihat in the Quran..
You must refer, Mutishabihat to Muhkamaat...
6- Ihtijaaj: It is narrated from Zaid bin Wahab Jahni from Hasan bin Ali bin
Abu Talib from his father (a.s.) that he said:
“In the last period of time, the Almighty Allah will raise a man among
the illiterate masses whom He will support by His angels and protect his
helpers, help him through His signs and he will conquer the whole world. All
would enter the fold of religion willingly or unwillingly. He would fill the
earth with justice, equity and proof. No disbeliever will remain without
accepting faith. During his rule, even the wild beasts would become tame.
And the earth will through up its vegetation. Blessings will descend from the sky. The treasures buried in the earth will be exposed and
he would rule the
world for forty years. Fortunate would be one who lives till that time and
hears his speech.”
Notice that in this Hadith, it is said "a man comes who rules 40 years" it does not say that same Jesus. So, this is how we would refer Mutishabihat to Muhkamaat.
