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[Subduction Zone]

Check out....
#1, #3, #4

I did, they do not apply. Perhaps #4, but that would be it. It also was not claimed to be "proof", merely evidence for.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

especially Christians who are truly dead to self and living for Jesus Christ, do not hate anyone.

Hate comes in many forms, and doesn't necessarily mean one views the object of their hate with what is conventionally defined as hatred, nor does it necessarily involve animosity, seething, and frothing at the mouth.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I did, they do not apply. Perhaps #4, but that would be it. It also was not claimed to be "proof", merely evidence for.

It would be an interesting list to compile of the all the rabid anti-LBGT who turned out to be gay. Especially those caught with same-sex prostitutes.

 

[Revoltingest]

I did, they do not apply. Perhaps #4, but that would be it. It also was not claimed to be "proof", merely evidence for.

To suggest that fundies who oppose homosexuality are secretly gay is pseudo-science.
Certainly some have been...but that's an awfully broad & unsupported brush you have there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

To suggest that fundies who oppose homosexuality are secretly gay is pseudo-science.
Certainly some have been...but that's an awfully broad & unsupported brush you have there.

But I did not do that. I pointed out that there was a connection between being homophobic and being latent. It is not an all homophobes are latent homosexuals, but the odds are greatly increased. I would have to look over the numbers of the studies. Just as certain genes have been shown to increase the incidence of homosexuality, having that gene does not make a man gay, it is only one of several factors that raise the odds of being gay.

 

[Revoltingest]

But I did not do that. I pointed out that there was a connection between being homophobic and being latent. It is not an all homophobes are latent homosexuals, but the odds are greatly increased.

That sure sounds like a "suggestion" to me.

I would have to look over the numbers of the studies. Just as certain genes have been shown to increase the incidence of homosexuality, having that gene does not make a man gay, it is only one of several factors that raise the odds of being gay.

It still strikes me as an ad hominem diversion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That sure sounds like a "suggestion" to me.

Merely food for thought.

It still strikes me as an ad hominem diversion.

It does make some rethink why they are attacking others. Those that truly hate will not be affected. It may help those that can be helped.

 

[Revoltingest]

Merely food for thought.

It seems a less than random offering.

It does make some rethink why they are attacking others. Those that truly hate will not be affected. It may help those that can be helped.

The obvious explanation is that they get their beliefs from their religion.
Some doctrines do say that homosexuality is an affront to God.
What evidence do you offer that their views are linked to latent homosexuality?

 

[Subduction Zone]

It seems a less than random offering.

The obvious explanation is that they get their beliefs from their religion.
Some doctrines do say that homosexuality is an affront to God.
What evidence do you offer that their views are linked to latent homosexuality?

People pick and choose which parts of the Bible that they follow. I don't know of any Christians that advocate taking disobedient children and stoning them. Their doctrines might say that, but following that doctrine is still their choice. One needs to investigate one's motives at times.

 

[74x12]

Only an idiot thinks more profits will come from keeping customers out.

Never said otherwise.

 

[columbus]

Plenty. If God has stated in His word that homosexual behavior is wrong or marriage is between male and female then, as the Creator He knows how His creation functions best and this wisdom is given out of LOVE. So the kindness and most respectful approach is to kindly and respectfully agree with God and share His loving truth.

People like you remind me of someone I heard justifying a gay bashing with the Golden Rule. "If I were queer I'd want somebody to beat the gay outta me!"
Tom

 

[Jesster]

It would be an interesting list to compile of the all the rabid anti-LBGT who turned out to be gay. Especially those caught with same-sex prostitutes.

If you would like an anecdotal data point, you can use me. I used to be anti-LGBT before I came out. I'm not proud of it, but I'm trying to make up for it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It would be an interesting list to compile of the all the rabid anti-LBGT who turned out to be gay. Especially those caught with same-sex prostitutes.

Whoa whoa whoa!! It sounds like you are talking about Ted Haggard here. I will have you know that Ted Haggard is completely heterosexual:

 

[Revoltingest]

People pick and choose which parts of the Bible that they follow. I don't know of any Christians that advocate taking disobedient children and stoning them. Their doctrines might say that, but following that doctrine is still their choice. One needs to investigate one's motives at times.

I agree that people pick & choose. But nonetheless, they do have
religious beliefs which come from an external source, ie, scripture & culture.
This is a good explanation for being anti-homosexuality.
I don't care why they believe this....I just vigorously disagree without belittling them (much).

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It seems a less than random offering.

The obvious explanation is that they get their beliefs from their religion.
Some doctrines do say that homosexuality is an affront to God.
What evidence do you offer that their views are linked to latent homosexuality?

Any religion that considers homosexuality an “affront to God” has a laundry list of things that are also “affronts to God.” The mere fact that a religion opposes homosexuality isn’t enough to explain why an adherent gives homosexuality special focus.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

People like you remind me of someone I heard justifying a gay bashing with the Golden Rule. "If I were queer I'd want somebody to beat the gay outta me!"
Tom

Touching on this along with what @Revoltingest was talking about recently: plenty of religious people claim that homosexuality is a choice, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. One way to explain this is if these religious people fight against their own strong homosexual feelings through sheer force of will and because of this, think that other people are capable of doing it, too.

 

[InChrist]

People like you remind me of someone I heard justifying a gay bashing with the Golden Rule. "If I were queer I'd want somebody to beat the gay outta me!"
Tom

I certainly don't believe Jesus' method of changing hearts involved or justifies beating or force.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I certainly don't believe Jesus' method of changing hearts involved or justifies beating or force.

That doesn’t mesh with what you said earlier.

 

[columbus]

I certainly don't believe Jesus' method of changing hearts involved or justifies beating or force.

I would be more confident about what Jesus' methods involved if He had actually left us a record Himself, rather than leave it to the fallible and ethically primitive people of 1st century Judea.
I don't think that He would have condoned such methods either. But modern Christians believe a lot of things you won't find in the red words.
Tom

 

[InChrist]

Any religion that considers homosexuality an “affront to God” has a laundry list of things that are also “affronts to God.” The mere fact that a religion opposes homosexuality isn’t enough to explain why an adherent gives homosexuality special focus.

Many seem focus on homosexuality out of proportion which is wrong since sin is sin and all sin is an affront to God. I personally consider those who claim to be "Christians" and live the facade of being more righteous than others, yet behind closed doors abuse their wives or children to be the the worst sinful evildoers of all, much more so than secular homosexuals.

The Worst Abusers are the Kind Who Parade as Christian Leaders