Bakers Who Refused Lesbian Couple A Wedding Cake WILL Have To Pay $135,000

[Faithofchristian]

Again, nobody filed a lawsuit. I'd be just as against a Muslim doing this as with a Christian. Tell the camera man you keep talking about, and not us. Their case was real, and not just a test to prove some flimsy point, right? Right?

Then try going into a Muslim bakery and ask them to bake you a gay wedding cake and see what happens.

 

[Jesster]

Then try going into a Muslim bakery and ask them to bake you a gay wedding cake and see what happens.

I don't need a wedding cake. Otherwise I would go to the most convenient location for me to get one. If it happened to be owned by a Muslim (or anyone else, for that matter), and I was refused for discriminatory reasons, I would take issue with it.

To me, it doesn't matter that the bakery owners in this case were Christian. Anyone could have done it and they would have been equally as wrong.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Then try going into a Muslim bakery and ask them to bake you a gay wedding cake and see what happens.

That would be difficult, since I don’t know of any Muslim bakeries that bake wedding cakes.

... but they’ll make baklava for anyone.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I don't need a wedding cake. Otherwise I would go to the most convenient location for me to get one. If it happened to be owned by a Muslim (or anyone else, for that matter), and I was refused for discriminatory reasons, I would take issue with it.

To me, it doesn't matter that the bakery owners in this case were Christian. Anyone could have done it and they would have been equally as wrong.

The question is, why are Christians bakeries only being targeted. When there are Muslim bakeries denying also.

 

[Faithofchristian]

That would be difficult, since I don’t know of any Muslim bakeries that bake wedding cakes.

... but they’ll make baklava for anyone.

So what your saying is that you didn't even bother to check it out.

 

[Jesster]

The question is, why are Christians bakeries only being targeted. When there are Muslim bakeries denying also.

Oh ffs. Nobody is being "targeted". Nobody is actually going out of their way to be discriminated against so they can open lawsuits. That's all on the people discriminating. Maybe Muslims should open more bakeries so they can broaden their audience.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Oh ffs. Nobody is being "targeted". Nobody is actually going out of their way to be discriminated against so they can open lawsuits. That's all on the people discriminating. Maybe Muslims should open more bakeries so they can broaden their audience.

There are gays and many Muslim bakeries in Dearborn Michigan. So what's stopping them.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So what your saying is that you didn't even bother to check it out.

That’s right. I have no reason to give your opinion even enough weight to think that your say-so warrants the effort to do a bit of Googling. I see playing Clash of Clans, for instance, as a more productive use of that time.

 

[Jesster]

There are gays and many Muslim bakeries in Dearborn Michigan. So what's stopping them.

If they discriminate against someone who brings up a lawsuit, I will support that lawsuit.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There are gays and many Muslim bakeries in Dearborn Michigan. So what's stopping them.

Which Muslim bakery in Dearborn:

- makes wedding cakes, and
- refuses to make them for LGBT couples?

Please be specific.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sure I can support my claim, just go Google it.
Hidden camera, gay wedding cake at Muslim bakeries denied.
Where a person went into a Muslim bakery, asking about a gay wedding cake and was denied. Just to see what would happen if ask a Muslim bakery to make a gay wedding cake.

Have you ever hear of any gays going into a Muslim bakery or sueing a Muslim bakery.
There's your proof.

So where's the out cry from the gay community over this?
So what's up with all that.

Then why didn't you support your claim? I am not doing your homework for you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I got bored and looked for the story about the Muslim bakery. It appears to have been a hoax. The one example I found was of a Muslim bakery that did not even make wedding cakes and was recognized as a fraud:

Rush Limbaugh, Dearborn and the Muslim Baker Bigotry Myth | HuffPost

So we have a tu quoque fallacy based upon an event that never happened. Not too impressed.

 

[columbus]

I got bored and looked for the story about the Muslim bakery. It appears to have been a hoax. The one example I found was of a Muslim bakery that did not even make wedding cakes and was recognized as a fraud:

Rush Limbaugh, Dearborn and the Muslim Baker Bigotry Myth | HuffPost

So we have a tu quoque fallacy based upon an event that never happened. Not too impressed.

There you go again!
Persecuting the Christians.

How Deplorable.
Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I, personally, thought that lawsuit against the bakery was the very definition of frivolous suits.

How else is a "responsible citizen" supposed to take their grievances out on an offending party? It's not like they just refused to bake a cake, and don't beat each other up or duel them to the death either. Things don't change when you say "meh," and I'd rather see lawsuits and violence. For our species, that's not too bad. It's the modern day way of slug 'n out, and the homosexual couple dealt a pretty hefty blow to their fellow chest-thumpers. Makes me think they had the legal world equivalent of steroids we call lawyers.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

... but they’ll make baklava for anyone.

Good thing, too. Not that baklava and bakeries and such are much of a thing around here, but it's been delicious anytime I've had it.
But, I suppose one of the funny things of America is for the xenophobia they sure do love other people's foods. Even if they hate "them."

 

[SkepticThinker]

Then what are you crying about. Christian refuse to bake a gay cake and the whole world falls apart.
But when a Muslim bakery does the same thing, there's nothing said about it.

You seem to have missed the details of the story, discussed throughout the thread.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The question is, why are Christians bakeries only being targeted. When there are Muslim bakeries denying also.

According to your source that you won't name, Muslim bakeries are also being "targeted." You've defeated your own argument with your unsourced anecdote.

 

[Milton Platt]

Court rules Oregon bakers who refused to make lesbian couple a wedding cake WILL have to pay them $135,000 in damages

Owners of the since-closed Gresham bakery Aaron and Melissa Klein had refused to make a wedding cake for Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer
An appellate court Thursday upheld a penalty against the bakery owners and they will now have to pay the lesbian couple $135,000
Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer praised the ruling saying: 'Oregon will not allow a 'Straight Couples Only' sign to be hung in bakeries or other stores'

An appellate court Thursday upheld a penalty against Oregon bakery owners who refused to make a cake for a same-sex wedding almost five years ago.

The owners of the since-closed Gresham bakery - Aaron and Melissa Klein - argued that state Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian violated state and federal laws by forcing them to pay emotional-distress damages of $135,000 to the lesbian couple Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer.

Their lawyers said Avakian and the state Bureau of Labor and Industries violated the Kleins' rights as artists to free speech, their rights to religious freedom and their rights as defendants to a due process.

But the Oregon Court of Appeals sided with the state Thursday, saying the Kleins failed to show the state targeted them for their religious beliefs.

The judges also found public statements made by Avakian before deciding the case did not establish a lack of impartiality.

'Today's ruling sends a strong signal that Oregon remains open to all,' Avakian said after the 62-page opinion was released Thursday.

The decision comes weeks after the U.S. Supreme Court heard arguments in the high-profile case of a Colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.
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I can only say, good enough for them!

I fail to understand how baking a cake for a gay couple violates anyone's religious beliefs (which is what this was all about). Are these bakers going to only bake cakes for people who are of their particular Christian denomination and hold their specific viewpoint of Christianity? Will they refuse to bake a cake for a Jewish couple?

 

[Skwim]

I fail to understand how baking a cake for a gay couple violates anyone's religious beliefs (which is what this was all about). Are these bakers going to only bake cakes for people who are of their particular Christian denomination and hold their specific viewpoint of Christianity? Will they refuse to bake a cake for a Jewish couple?

I'm pretty sure these questions have been addressed in one or more of the previous posts.

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[Muffled]

Are you talking about the lesbian couple, the bakers, the judges, or the people who made the death threats against the lesbian couple?

I believe judges make mistakes but that does not mean they have evil intent. People who make death threats are being mean but until they actually do some harm I would let them off with a warning. The Lesbians inflicted real pain and suffering out of hate and that I despise.